So this is the legendary kit.

[Wraieth]

Good to meet you! We're closely monitoring the store data that's coming in. I'd wager we'd make changes to maximize the potential of this lock box if the data warrants it.

So more or less what your saying is trion has no problem with immoral business practices and ripping off people as long as they are able to make a buck

Thanks for clearing that up.. Atleast your being an honest crook

[Amack]

I think your analogy is specious. We're selling virtual items, not unsolicited bodily harm.

He has a tendency to do that... But he also is especially good at getting his point across.

[drackiller]

Frack , no...
Don`t give them ideas to charge things for the price they are charging for the legendary whatever they call it. NO.

Not even for a lower price, it`s outrageous.

[Amack]

Frack , no...
Don`t give them ideas to charge things for the price they are charging for the legendary whatever they call it. NO.

Not even for a lower price, it`s outrageous.

I agree Drac, the people in this thread advocating pay to win is just dumbfounding me. Do you people realize what you are saying?

[N3gativeCr33p]

Do you people realize what you are saying?

A casual observation leads me in the direction of "no".

But that's just my two scrip.

[drackiller]

I agree Drac, the people in this thread advocating pay to win is just dumbfounding me. Do you people realize what you are saying?

Thank you Amack, some reason as to be put in this thread/forum.

I now have in my possession lots of orange weapons, i sell cheap damnit, some time i even give those away.
Legendary sucks big time in this game...but who am i to argue !?

[Wraieth]

So its ok to to use immoral business practice and rip people off because they will buy it? that's basicily what they are saying at trion.

Well hell people buy crack all the time but that dosnt change the fact its wrong to sell it. Sure theres a difference in online and real life. But crooked business is the same, And dosnt change the fact no matter what side of the spectrum its on.

Wrong is still Wrong

And producing these subpar dlc's along with the overpriced items and then the blatant 100 dollar box is why the very people (players) who love this game are turning away from it almost daily now.

But hey they making a buck right so the data shows its ok.

[Direphoenix]

So its ok to to use immoral business practice and rip people off because they will buy it? that's basicily what they are saying at trion.

Well hell people buy crack all the time but that dosnt change the fact its wrong to sell it. Sure theres a difference in online and real life. But crooked business is the same, And dosnt change the fact no matter what side of the spectrum its on.

Wrong is still Wrong

And producing these subpar dlc's along with the overpriced items and then the blatant 100 dollar box is why the very people (players) who love this game are turning away from it almost daily now.

But hey they making a buck right so the data shows its ok.

Selling crack is only "wrong" because it is illegal. It is illegal because the people that make laws have deemed it dangerous to the population their laws apply to.

On the other hand, selling Alcohol, Tobacco, Peanuts, and even Gluten is not wrong, even though there are some people that have dangerous problems with them. This is because the people that make laws see that they can still make a lot of money from taxing the sales without killing off an unacceptable portion of the people their laws apply to, and allows them to keep making laws.

Some people may have dangerous problems that make them think they have to collect all the items ASAP or have the most power in the game by any means necessary. Paying for these items in a store is a step easier/less dangerous than paying a goldfarmer/itemfarmer for it, which is a step easier than hacking someone's account and stealing the items themselves, which is a step easier than earning it in-game or happening upon the items through regular play. The store cuts out the middle man and maintains control through the game instead of outside sources. By setting a high price point, they encourage regular gameplay as the preferred means for most people to receive these items, but for the few people for whom the price point is not painful, they can still get money from.

Examine for a moment your own pain points. How much pain does not having these legendary items cause you? Does the pain of spending $100 on a virtual item get negated or overwhelmed by the comfort of having the item? If so, by all means SPEND. If it does not, DON'T SPEND. It's that simple. If an unacceptable amount of people spend on the item (which I guarantee you there are some people that will buy these items, even at their present price), then they will lower the price until an acceptable amount of people start spending, or remove the item altogether.

[xilfxlegion]

Selling crack is only "wrong" because it is illegal. It is illegal because the people that make laws have deemed it dangerous to the population their laws apply to.

On the other hand, selling Alcohol, Tobacco, Peanuts, and even Gluten is not wrong, even though there are some people that have dangerous problems with them. This is because the people that make laws see that they can still make a lot of money from taxing the sales without killing off an unacceptable portion of the people their laws apply to, and allows them to keep making laws.

Some people may have dangerous problems that make them think they have to collect all the items ASAP or have the most power in the game by any means necessary. Paying for these items in a store is a step easier/less dangerous than paying a goldfarmer/itemfarmer for it, which is a step easier than hacking someone's account and stealing the items themselves, which is a step easier than earning it in-game or happening upon the items through regular play. The store cuts out the middle man and maintains control through the game instead of outside sources. By setting a high price point, they encourage regular gameplay as the preferred means for most people to receive these items, but for the few people for whom the price point is not painful, they can still get money from.

Examine for a moment your own pain points. How much pain does not having these legendary items cause you? Does the pain of spending $100 on a virtual item get negated or overwhelmed by the comfort of having the item? If so, by all means SPEND. If it does not, DON'T SPEND. It's that simple. If an unacceptable amount of people spend on the item (which I guarantee you there are some people that will buy these items, even at their present price), then they will lower the price until an acceptable amount of people start spending, or remove the item altogether.

tobacco and alcohol and lmao, gluten, are still sold because almost a century ago this country found out the hard way what happens when you try to take away something that the public wants. the public still got it, and there really wasnt anything the government could do about it.

other than that, i agree with your post.

[Ngamok]

Please tell me how people are "winning" by paying $80-$100 to get an RNG-generated legendary weapon with RNG-generated epic mods to go with it.

Do legendary weapons make people instantly god-like in PvP to where they can single-handedly win matches for their team or something? 'cause that sucks for those who were unable to get a legendary due to RNG from the lockboxes.

Do legendary weapons let people easily solo all existing PvE content? If so then that sucks for those who aren't lucky with the lockboxes.

I don't really see anything pay to win about it otherwise. It's just pay to skip RNG lockboxes for a guaranteed RNG-based legendary weapon with RNG-based epic mods. And the price is so ridiculously high that only those who really want a legendary weapon (and have plenty of money to waste on virtual items) will be able to buy 'em.

It's not like you're going to see thousands of random schmucks running around with a full set of legendaries and facerolling over everyone and everything.

Of all the responses here, this guy gets it. There is nothing P2W about paying $80ish to get a Legendary. It is the ultimate in convenience for someone who has money to buy. I would never buy one because I can't justify the cost of it plus other variables. If people want to support Trion in this fashion and keep the game going, more power to them. How many people complained about Tier 4 Lock boxes in the store that you can get a random Orange from as well but at lower % chance.