It also has characters which don't translate directly into English, and clearly has more than 6 characters. It's not useful.Originally Posted by Kartur
It also has characters which don't translate directly into English, and clearly has more than 6 characters. It's not useful.
If I am reading the symbols right...may be a literal translation is not really possible. If the center Hex represents a vowel, and the exterior hex represents a consonant then really...the "loading" symbols is really nine letters and not six.
So if you consider it this way, then each vowel/consonant combination is not a literal interpretation but instead a representation of a sound...like Pa or Om. That is of coarse assuming that those are the rules to the language as they have been discussed in this thread.
The problem I am seeing is that people are trying to translate the text quite literally into the 26 character English alphabet with out considering that many languages in the world are very different them selves. Like trying to learn Deutsche, the majority of the German language is based on phonetic structure and sounds. We may need to think on a far broader level to translate what is being written in the hex language.
Are we sure that the first character is an L? Looking at the sheet thing an L has a triangle with an arc under it on both the left & right side. This looks icon looks like it has a triangle with an arc under it on the left, but two arcs on the right hand side.
I would also like to suggest that once again, this may be loading in their spoken language. But since they are an alien race, their pronunciation of loading may be very different. The assumption has been that there is a direct translation...but may be the direct translation is more akin to "Cup" in German: "Tasse".
This may be more a matter of needing to know the written and spoken word and translating it to English through that path.
Interesting that this thread is all about cracking a code, which isn't there. I think it's pretty clear that we are not dealing with a set of three alphabets which are all ciphers for the English version of the Latin alphabet. Why would they bother hiring a linguist to do all of that for a cipher when their art team could do something like that?
Mr. Peterson himself said that Indogene is more of a syllabary. Castithan is an abugida. He says it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYZHquaDtg
What's true of course is that the scripts are being used as alphabets, but that's not how they really work. Smitch pointed out that what has been written in these scripts for promotional materials would make no sense in the languages. It's like using Katakana to write out English. To the Japanese it would make no sense at all.
I think we need to separate what the marketing teams are doing from the way the languages are actually used. There's really no code here, but I think the way they are being used is leading you all astray. I get why they've done it but it's kind of tricking everyone into thinking this is some kind of grand cipher to be cracked. The simple answer is, they're not being used as intended, and the way they should be used isn't as complex as being presented here.
In which case we will not know what the actual use will be until they start teaching classes about it...like they do for Klingon or Elvish from Tolkien's universe.
There is unlikely to be 'official' classes as such. Like Na'vi & Dothraki (Avatar & Game of Thrones - Incidentally, David J Peterson created Dothraki as well) are deconstructed & figured out by fans with input from their creators. This is what I intend to be a part of with at least one of these languages. I am quite looking forward to getting more information (even though I'm no linguist...but everyone has to have a hobby. ^.^) so we can really begin looking into them and seeing how they work.
Yes, unless they release charts of the writing systems and explain how they are written, it's like trying to figure out how to properly write Japanese without instruction or reference materials. I'm pretty sure if they allow Mr. Peterson to release information on how to use the systems he will, because he is quite active in helping people out with Dothraki.
I think it would be a mistake for the show to not release these materials, because as we see from Tolkien, Star Trek, and Game of Thrones, the fans absolutely love this kind of stuff.
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I'd also like to add:
I mentioned Castithan is an abugida. This explains why the chart you see in the video looks like an insane number of glyphs. Abugidas appear that way but they all work in a very simple way: You have base glyphs which generally represent a consonant plus vowel. To change the vowel on the glyph, you mark it with a special diacritic that changes the vowel sound. I'm seeing from Mr. Peterson's examples that he also did something the Indian scripts do (they are also Abugidas), that is, diphthongs (like the sound of y in the word "my") have collapsed into monophthongs (single vowels). So, he wrote rai-djo, but it is pronounced as "rejo" (reh-joh).
But, without further information, it's unclear if he also followed an indic model by using consonant conjuncts in the way that Devanagari does. That is, part of the initial consonant in the consonant cluster is attached to the glyph that contains the second consonant. He might have also used a simpler method where he used a vowel killer to knock off the inherent vowel in the glyph to turn it into a consonant only. The "Devanagari method" would mean the script is very complex, but the latter method would be simpler.
If this is confusing, go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abugida
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