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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by mr8liner View Post
    You can believe me or not.
    You've completely missed the point. Your personal experience doesn't speak to what the lock boxes are going to yield for most players anymore than the player that manages to pull 2-3 Legendaries from them every day for an entire week does. Saying petty things like " have fun spending your hard earned money on AF" only speaks poorly of your character.

    I never said I knew everything. That's another mischaracterization that further speaks to your character and the weakness of your argument when ad hominems are all you have left to counter my observations. What I have is based on facts and not the limited experience of 2 players out of thousands for a period of a few days which isn't even remotely informative about the mechanics involved in Arkforge drops from lock boxes.

    I did some minor adjustments because of a post on a spike on the Alpha Test Server forum that turns out is not in-game. The slot that drops Arkforge also has 6 different grenades, 5 different stims and 3 different spikes in the loot table. Add to this 50 and 20 bundles for Arkforge and you have a total possible of 16 different items to drop, so you have a 6.25% chance for a bundle of 50 to drop and a 6.25% chance of a bundle of 20 to drop or a total of 12.5% chance to get any Arkforge.

    That doesn't mean that if you buy 10 lock boxes you're guaranteed to get one Arkforge drop or that if you buy 2 lock boxes you won't get any. The way RNG works in the game is that the outcome of events is based on the entire player population's collective odds which is why we read about huge disparities between what one player experiences from their lock box drops compared to another. One player's good fortune is going to be balanced out by another player's bad luck or a spread of player's not quite so bad luck.

    In the long run that good fortune is not going to hold out for most players. On average, the more lock box drops they experience the more likely it is that it's going to balance out to an average yield of 875 Arkforge for every 200 lock boxes, or 1600 key codes if you're purchasing Tier 2 lock boxes. That's not a pace most players can maintain to keep upgrading their gear. Notwithstanding your snide remark telling them to have fun buying Arkforge at the bit store, they're not going to do that. They're simply going to have to suffer watching prized legendary weapons that took them months to obtain become devalued until they cap out on EGO rating and can catch up on upgrading them, which may take several months (assuming they stick around that long).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakestein View Post
    Ok, let's say that I do believe in fairies and start clapping. How much time did you spend to get that massive amount of scrip/ark salvage? I'm a 3 weeks old player with 200+ hours invested in game, my ego rating is about 22xx+, I barely made to the top 5 or 10 out of the events, which I think is good enough. But with that amount of in game time spend I barely made about 200k scrip/ark salvage. Tell me more how I can get 1kk in 30 hours with my ego rating and my OJ's being nerfed??
    Having 200k scrip is pretty good dude. I have probably at least a 1000 hours into the game and I'm sitting at 200k scrip. I buy keys a lot which isn't cheap but if you constantly sell junk to the vendor after events you will build it up pretty quick. I know it sucks and a lot of us lost a lot of OJs ( myself about 50 probably) . I just gave a random player from infamous about 10 3900 ego OJs for free just now. Just wanted to clean out some room in my inventory. Also getting in top 10 in events is very respectable. You should be getting some forge and keys from that.

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    Is that 6+% drop rate for Arkforge from boxes certain? That is to say, are we sure that certain options from the list are not weighted more heavily than others?

    I haven't kept track of exact results (nor would my sample set be large enough for statistical confidence), but I'm certain I'm getting a much better rate from Tier 2 lockboxes than that. I'd estimate that over the last couple days I've seen somewhere between 25% and 30% Arkforge drops from Tier 2s. Total number of purchases is probably somewhere north of 40, but not by a lot. Again, not enough to be confident I'm not just having a good run of luck with the RNG, but it at least suggests that the drop rate may have been bumped up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Festival View Post
    Is that 6+% drop rate for Arkforge from boxes certain? That is to say, are we sure that certain options from the list are not weighted more heavily than others?

    I haven't kept track of exact results (nor would my sample set be large enough for statistical confidence), but I'm certain I'm getting a much better rate from Tier 2 lockboxes than that. I'd estimate that over the last couple days I've seen somewhere between 25% and 30% Arkforge drops from Tier 2s. Total number of purchases is probably somewhere north of 40, but not by a lot. Again, not enough to be confident I'm not just having a good run of luck with the RNG, but it at least suggests that the drop rate may have been bumped up.
    While it's possible that they weighted the drop rate in the loot table for Arkforge, given everything that we know about the mentality of the game developers in engineering drop rates over the past year, it's extremely doubtful. With the exception of fixing coding mistakes where the drop rate was accidentally reduced to such a small percentage chance that as a practical matter they didn't exist in the game, the only time they have ever weighted drop rates in the loot tables over the entirety of the game's existence is to make desired items less likely to drop out of all the items in the loot table.

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    I just wanted to add in that the discussion between everybody has been most helpful. There's a lot that I wasn't even aware of, and have made changes to the lists and added new stuff to reflect everybody's feedback. A special thank you to Deunanfor giving evidence of the reported chances on getting Arkforge in Lockboxes. A warm thank you to everybody in the community for giving their insight and feeddback.

    Changes made to original post:

    Change Log 1:
    Made changes to #5 on the "wrong" list to reflect forum poster's feedback.
    Made changes to #1 on the "fix" list to reflect forum poster's feedback.
    Made changes to #2 on the "fix" list to reflect forum poster's feedback.
    Made changes to #5 on the "fix" list to reflect forum poster's feedback.
    Added a #6 to the "wrong" list.
    Added a beginning list on reported ways to get Arkforge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deunan View Post
    While it's possible that they weighted the drop rate in the loot table for Arkforge, given everything that we know about the mentality of the game developers in engineering drop rates over the past year, it's extremely doubtful. With the exception of fixing coding mistakes where the drop rate was accidentally reduced to such a small percentage chance that as a practical matter they didn't exist in the game, the only time they have ever weighted drop rates in the loot tables over the entirety of the game's existence is to make desired items less likely to drop out of all the items in the loot table.
    That makes perfect sense, and I suspect you're quite correct. I just wanted to raise the possibility, given the results I've been having recently. I guess I'll just give thanks to the RNG gods and hope my good fortune continues! I'm by no means certain I'm going to keep playing, as I simply don't like the game nearly as much any more, but I'm trying to remain positive. =P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakestein View Post
    party??!! where??
    I`m always partying, yesterday i made a party, i decided not to play Defiance, today i`m partying too.
    Just taking the pulse of the forum and slowly fading away...

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