why there so many people call it not mmorpg when it is?

[SBlaze]

What would really get things fired up, is why Destiny is going out of their way to say it's not even an MMO at all :P

Hahaha yeah. Curious about that actually. Heard from a friend that it's due for release in July. Should be interesting. Waiting for that, ESO, and FF14 ARR at the moment. Really hoping they do a good job on FF

[SBlaze]

What would really get things fired up, is why Destiny is going out of their way to say it's not even an MMO at all :P

Hahaha yeah. Curious about that actually. Heard from a friend it's due for release in July. Waiting for that, ESO, and FF14 ARR at the moment. Really hope they do a good job on FF.

Blah sorry about double post. Stupid internet explorer said it didn't post it the first time =(.

[Rush]

Poopie talk, ALL OF IT !

[jshahmiran]

Hahaha yeah. Curious about that actually. Heard from a friend it's due for release in July. Waiting for that, ESO, and FF14 ARR at the moment. Really hope they do a good job on ff.

FF14 arr has it quirks it it is little easier then 11 but it is a visully stunning game and has some fun crap going on in it so far in the betas and alaphs.

[Zascha]

Rpg is not about hotbars, it's about role-playing your character which does not exist in this game. Defiance is TPS game with some MMO elements. And there's not enough of them to be called MMOTPS.

AH! But you miss the obvious question:

How exactly are you playing a role in WoW, that you cannot play one in Defiance?

Also... you really didn't read anything I wrote in my first message... did you?

[Neokro]

If you don't think Defiance is an MMO then there is something seriously wrong with you.
World of Tanks is considered an MMO and that is basically 15v15 lobbies but due to it being fully online and having a crap ton of people logged in at any given time to the one server, then it qualifies.

Also you take on the "role" of an Ark Hunter in this game, you are role playing as an Ark Hunter working for that man with weird red glasses and an annoying voice.

[Zascha]

I think the term "MMORPG" has been steriotyped to refer to only "fantasy Genre" type games historically. SWG and SWTOR can easily be put into the RPG category even witht the use of guns, although they would not be considered shooters. SWG yes was adapted some in its later game to be a shooter.

When someone says RPG they "think" button pushing, spells, combat arts, for combat mechanics. But RPG = sotryline quest/missions/events
When someone hears shooter they think of a mouse/console control/joystick that aims manually as you press some sort of fire button.

There is no reason a shooter can't be an RPG, several consoles do this as well as any of the storyline missions in every shooter. I would not call battlefield and MMORPG myself as it only has storyline for the solo missions.

IMO short and sweet if it has storyline missions/event you can do with lots of other people then yes = MMORPG (TPS)
Arkfalls
Coops
Groups
Local Quests
Storyline quests

To be perfectly honest - I think the entire industry needs to have a major overhaul of genre naming. Simply put - "Role Playing Game" is a little too vague a classification these days, as our loose modern understanding of the phrase allows ALL games to be RPG's in some manner.

They need to reclassify these genres, and break them down into base mechanics. Because really... most traditional MMO's should technically be classified as an RTS, based purely on the gameplay.

[Thrasymicus]

It's an MMOTPS with some RPG elements. It's still much more of a shooter than it is an RPG.

^This /5char

[LadyChaos]

When you play BF you pick 1 of 4 "roles" where they could be cookie cutter images of the guy the same exact level as you who spent the same amount of time doing similar stuff. You have no single character that you play. This "toon" has no name" You have a handle, that is your only game identity.

When you play an MMORPG (shooter or not) you make a character with the intentions of evolving it into something unique from the players around you. If you spend the same exact amount of time playing the same missions as me your charecter will still be an entirely different creature as mine in looks, skills, primary secondary tertiary focuses etc etc... It is the "home away from home" of your fantasy. No one else is like your pretend you. Your game identity is your character.

BF vs Defiance (2 types of shooters of MMO genres)
This playing a role in a game vs playing a role playing game.

[Raidwiz]

This game will be another example of why people claim MMOs won't work on a console. This so called MMO has no community and never will because the game is designed head to toe to not support an MMO community. There is nothing persistant about the world, No persistant servers means no community will build. If someone runs by, you can't target them to see what their name or level is. There is no classes, so no one is needed to group or help. Everquest Online for playstation was in my opinion by far the best MMO ever, and it ran 9 years on a ps2. I'm guessing Defiance isn't planning to be a MMO community. That's why they aren't charging a subscription. They just want to Hype you in for the 60.00, after that they don't care. They exploited the MMO concept to get sales. This game will set console MMOs back years I fear. Sooner or later WoW or EQ will pull their heads out of their you know whats and realize their are millions that will pay monthly for a real console MMO.