Indojisnen (HEX) Language << Need Help

[Smitch]

Well I created a GIMP image file for the Indojisnen glyphs, but it seems I can't upload it here. :/

[CarpeJugulum]

I considered base 6 and made a diagram to explain.. I know base 7 was confirmed but it still doesnt add up lol
35 converts nicely in base 6 but not 7

35 in base 10 is 55 in base 6 which would be 5 5 and 35 to base 7 is 50 |

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the last hex is what i would have worked out 35 in base 6 using hex's

That's actually base 7 as well. Notice how you can represent every number up to and including 6 with a single digit (treating inside and outside as separate)? Those are equivalent to 1-9 in base 10. In any base system, it's not possible to represent the number of a base with a single digit.

Also, you're missing the vertical line through the middle. That means that the centre hex can't be a base 7 number, since there are only 4 empty slots. Therefore it wouldn't be possible to represent 35 in base 6 or 7 with the symbols we have.

The middle clearly doesn't follow the same pattern as the outside hex (vertical line) so we can start anywhere. Since it can't be a digit, the logical conclusion is that it gives place value. If we start at the bottom and go clockwise, then one line is tens, two lines (or second position) is hundreds and so on. This gives for 35: 5 (outer hex) * 7 (base) ^1 (place value, inner hex)

One thing I think you're overlooking is that numbers don't necessarily have to be only one symbol. In fact, a 1 symbol for each number is an extraordinarily limited system. Your system stops working at a base 7 (it is base 7) 66, or a base 10 42. My base 7 system can be easily extended far above that.

[Khanjure]

Went through the videos again...
The Irathient text in both videos is the same.
The Indojisnen text has a slight difference, in the Enemy Intel Video there is an extra line of Indojisnen text. Click the pictures for larger size.

Has anyone been successful with the Indojisnen decode yet?

[Smitch]

Whelp, here is what I have so far. Please note that the 'letters' are what seems to be the keypress on a standard 101 keyboard *NOT* what each character may represent. Also, not noted on the image is that capital A, F & I kepresses seem to result in the same character. Some glyphs that have been seen in the wild are still missing from this list, but this should help with some decodes.

Indogene Alphabet.jpg

OK, I don't seem to know how to make an image normal size...

[Kalanaja]

I wonder how long it took him to build it up to where it is now. Some of the EVE players have been working for years building the languages for the different factions in EVE. Though to be honest they at least had cultural backgrounds based on predecessor ethnic groups and lore to work off of since EVE has no aliens.

[Smitch]

Updated version. Corrected the y (had an extra bit in it...ooops). Note that a number of the capital letter key presses seem to be the same glpyh as the lower case. I have included them anyhows for completeness.

My eyes are now bleeding hexes so if anyone sees anything wrong or thinks anything should be added let me know.

Indogene Alphabet 2.jpg

These are also available on the Defiance Wiki here:
Indojisnen

[Talmid]

When I studied the Indogene numeral 35 I interpreted it as (5 * 6) + 5 meaning that instead of ones, tens and hundreds the Indogene count in ones, sixes, thirty-sixes, et cetera. I am annoyed and disappointed that the interactive book can only be read on the iPad and not on a desktop or iPod using iTunes. If you have more reference material than I do, please try out my hypothesis.