Warmaster Insanity

[DSW]

Elite players would harass new players about their performance, and that's really not something we want to have the score leaderboards utilized for. Everyone needs to start somewhere. If you want to compare, you can definitely post your personal score or share it with others. You can always bring it to the forums!

meh. so meh i can't find the right words to describe it.

yes, everyone needs to start somewhere. but that doesn't imply that they should ruin WM fights for others because they want to run there with BMG & Infector setup.

if you show damage numbers to all, there is a *possibilty* to grief some noobs. if the numbers won't be shown, then jerks and noobs *WILL* grief entire instance into failing by either don't knowing what to do or just because they only care about personal score.

also, maybe some other change could help us all a bit - make it so WM hit zone's WON'T COUNT again weapon mastering/leveling.

[DSW]

Why not set up the warmaster like the co-ops?When you go in from the outside sort the players by ego, one for low ego players and another for high ego players. I know that the expert co-ops are better now that the players are sorted by ego. Make the rewards adjusted like in the co-ops too. Think of it as training for the lower level players.

there's a problem with it - if there's f.e about 40 players outside and upon entering they will spawn 3 instances, then it will lead to 1-2 underpopulated and overcrowded third instance.

[XPac]

Good thread, Drackiller. But just to ask...

Why the heck you guys still do WM-instances? Dudes & Dudettes, please... LOL

-You enter, you most likely disconnect = fail
-You enter and actually make it through, total insanity happens on the top floor due to poor scaling = fail
-You actually survive with zero points and go down to the WM and find yourselves in a room with more then 6 below 4000 EGO's = fail
-You get down to the WM, there are enough high EGO's around, but sadly also one stupid fook/noob that decides to break the locks when there's not enough people inside yet = fail

Guys and gals, please hahaha... I drive around in the wonderfull world of Defiance and every now and then i see y'all fight around a major arkfall site. I know you have less then 10% chance of getting rewarded for the efforts you put in. Don't you know that? Quit being stupid, stop this WM bullsh... Please. You make me laugh!

But i'm sure it'll get better when the F2P launches though! More noobs to take the spots that good people should take! Warmaster = DEAD! I know it, and i know you know it!

I'll agree that the risk of failure is pretty high, and even when you do suceed the time and effort isn't necessarily comparable with the rewards.

Still, I do them every one in awhile to shake things up and do something different. In games like this you sometimes want to do something different to break out of the weapons grinding, and doing arkfall after arkfall. For MMO's where it's often doing the same stuff over and over and over again, really any sort of break from that can be a nice thing once in a while.

And win or lose you can get a nice gun out of it. So it's never entirely a bust.

[Anthalus]

Why not set up the warmaster like the co-ops?When you go in from the outside sort the players by ego, one for low ego players and another for high ego players. I know that the expert co-ops are better now that the players are sorted by ego. Make the rewards adjusted like in the co-ops too. Think of it as training for the lower level players.

Thats not a bad idea at all. They'd need to sort a way for Ark Spikes to be used tho, perhaps make them cheaper and have it cost a spike to join.

[Fuzzy]

also, maybe some other change could help us all a bit - make it so WM hit zone's WON'T COUNT again weapon mastering/leveling.

that is actually one of the best ideas I read except for bringing damage numbers back.

You're claiming that these weapons aren't good to use against the WM? Or did I read this incorrectly?

Yes, I was referring to the crit spot Sorry! Didn't express myself clear enough there.

We'll check this out! I got your PM. If anyone else is experiencing this, please let me know!

Thanks for your answer on that I know that it's happening to a clanie of mine and heard it from one or two other persons as well. The bug doesn't seem too popluar though, I guess.

Wouldn't low levels breaking locks as soon as they get into the instance be considered griefing even though people asked them to stop?

Totally agree with that statement! Even though people might just not see team chat due to wrong chat settings. But some people are just griefing and trolling and don't care about teamchat.

[Deunan]

Elite players would harass new players about their performance, and that's really not something we want to have the score leaderboards utilized for. Everyone needs to start somewhere. If you want to compare, you can definitely post your personal score or share it with others. You can always bring it to the forums!

That's not griefing. Words have meaning and verbal harrassment is not and never has been considered griefing in the entire history of MMO's outside of hate speech, which is largely treated as such not out of political correctness but because MMO's are international and the laws of certain jurisdictions don't share the same views as the United States about criminalizing hate speech.

Griefing has and always will be willful intentional conduct by other players for the sole purpose of interfering with other players' ability to play the game. A high EGO player standing on the outskirts of a Conflict Site just to raise the Threat Level to 10 on some lower EGO players there while not actually participating is an example of griefing (and one that your team has done zero about btw).

So in other words it has absolutely nothing to do with griefing. If the Defiance team actually thinks shielding players from harsh verbal criticism is even remotely important enough to not have a public list of damage which serves an extremely important function that can't be replaced by voluntary sharing of information then their priorities are truly screwed up. Why the sudden change of heart when damage boards were fine for almost an entire year before the scoring system was implemented?

Players can mute other players if they don't like what they're reading or hearing. They also need to grow thicker skin if someone harassing them about their damage output bothers them that much. It's endemic to all MMO's and you don't see any other MMO's making asinine decisions about community tools just to accomplish a pseudo goal as feeble as the one alleged as the basis for this development decision.

What's next? How about we make everyone's name in PvP event boards and on their tags in game anonymous so no one will get smack talked to during PvP? That certainly is far more frequent than anything that goes on with the PvE scoreboards. They'll simply be assigned names like John 1, John 2 and John 3 as long as they are logged into the PvP event. If preventing the verbal harassment of players in PvE is so important then you should drop all other development now and focus on that as your next goal.

[KasperSheitup]

I haven't read the entire thread but I agree with what most of people are saying in here.
We, "the elitist" players are griefed every day in wm instances, yet if we'd actually get a damage board instead of score we would be the ones verbally abusing (aka griefing in TRiON terms, wtf?) people... wtf?

I've lost my patience with people and if I see bmgs/infectors I will send them not so nice whispers...
Call me a bad person w/e but I feel like I'm being griefed on purpose and that's frustrating as ****.

And **** it, I'm calling out STORMTROOPERS clan on PC EU server. Some of the worst people in that clan.
Last three instances I was in the lockbreaker was from this clan (and not the same person..)

[Iceberg]

I think they just can't fix the score boards to show properly with their new score system, so this new system which no one asked for is messing up a game mechanic that never had problems prior, they are just going to re code it to show each person their own personal score board?

Switch it back to damage based (at minimum for war master) and if you guys are so worried about players "griefing" others with the chat, maybe you should fix Mute that it would actually stick between sessions, instead of resetting each time you log out.

[DSW]

I haven't read the entire thread but I agree with what most of people are saying in here.
We, "the elitist" players are griefed every day in wm instances, yet if we'd actually get a damage board instead of score we would be the ones verbally abusing (aka griefing in TRiON terms, wtf?) people... wtf?

I've lost my patience with people and if I see bmgs/infectors I will send them not so nice whispers...
Call me a bad person w/e but I feel like I'm being griefed on purpose and that's frustrating as ****.

And **** it, I'm calling out STORMTROOPERS clan on PC EU server. Some of the worst people in that clan.
Last three instances I was in the lockbreaker was from this clan (and not the same person..)

what a clan name, huh. Stormtroopers in SW universe are known to miss even a nuclear missile to planet (if somebody will even give it to them)

[N3gativeCr33p]

Griefing has and always will be willful intentional conduct by other players for the sole purpose of interfering with other players' ability to play the game. A high EGO player standing on the outskirts of a Conflict Site just to raise the Threat Level to 10 on some lower EGO players there while not actually participating is an example of griefing (and one that your team has done zero about btw).

DING! DING! DING!