Whats up with nobody breaking the locks?

[Alastar]

Funny i never had that problem Gus. Nobody talked down to me in my first wm or insulted me. I certain lay didn't pop the locks early. You know what I did the first time I went into a wm? I asked hey anything I need to know about this? You know why I asked? Because I wanted to be successful and to do my part to the best of my ability. Most importantly I asked because it was a situation that I knew nothing about.

[Blu]

If you're new how are you supposed to even know you are using the wrong weapons or the wrong perks? If you're experienced how about sharing that experience before the locks are broken without being an ******? If you're experienced then you know newcomers don't know this stuff and you have the opportunity to educate them in those minutes before the lock breaks.

when most ppl in the states fail, they don't care, they will fail again, ppl are often lazy and selfish when it comes to this, since its just a game to them, they wont do any homework but instead, repeat the same process, which is to fail..

now, some of us have been helping or trying to help this community since beta, just like the other night, I was in a warmaster with a lot of new players, I notice ppl in t his thread say most new players around around ego 1500ish, WRONG, most are under ego 800,, a lot are ego 100- 650,

now, other night I joined a random (fail) warmaster, some person was in there telling ppl not to use dets, but to just use lmgs/ar/smgs which was true to a point, ground pounders and cluster drops are some of the best weps to use,,,

so b4 it started I told everyone,

"no, dets are good to use, ground pounders especially and then goto your wolfhounds once his armor is broken"

well, as usual, like with a lot of ppl in the states, they didn't listen or even care, speak or anything, they proceeded, to fail..

at the end of the run I was #3 in total points, don't matter it was a fail, but my point is this,

when someone asks the question, 'If you're new how are you supposed to even know you are using the wrong weapons or the wrong perks? '

its called doing your home work, wanting to get better, wanting to progress, guess since I grew up around the beach and watching me father surf big waves I had to do my homework in order to progress to the level he was at and even beyond, I wanted to be better, I wanted to win, I wanted to be one of the best, so therefore I put in my OWN work, I didn't need a babysitter, but guidance was a lot of help to me, cause when it came from someone with more experience then myself, I would listen and learn,

now, I only been playing on pc na defy for a few weeks, when I quit on xbox my main toon was ego 4040, I had been here since alpha, so I was like what is this warmaster I hear about?

I did one, fail, I was like damn, normally I am top 3 or #1 at all arkfalls but yet I was 21 at this warmaster, ok..

so I used a service, its called google, and I swear its a free service, ppl just have to actually use it and not be lazy and want everything to come to them in a easy way,,

there is a guide, a few threads about the warmaster

for ppl that do care and do want to beat the warmaster, pls go find WarMaster guide,,

I was like a new player on NA pc a few weeks ago, wasn't in no clan then, no one gave me any advice, so I looked all this up on my own, to strong I guess is some of us and our habbits, compared to others..

next thing you know, I thought I had my perks right, since I had played this game over 1200+hrs, yet I was new to the warmaster run,

soooooooo, I looked and found warmaster guide, set my perks, got my weps right, my loadouts , 2 of them, oh that's right the f2p version on pc, you only get 2 loadouts, so most ppl are not going to have enough loadouts to set this up right,,

but I bet some of them bought some sporty new outfit from the store, buy loadouts next time..

now, if I can just get this kind of attention for the volge sieges, 3+weeks later and im still trying to get to/finish stage 10 for the last thing needed to complete my pursuit,

all this is going to happen all over again on consoles once it goes f2p there, glad I don't have trions job of dealing with these forums, cause I wouldn't deal with lazy, non searching google type ppl, I would only listen to the ppl who have been here, or tried to stay here and that have actually given real feed back/advice and that has helped new players or old alike,,

not this, we come into the forums with a join date of last month only to spew more toxic from mouth, yet google and warmaster guides exists, so does defiancedata,

damn I had to type all this just for that, GG

[Market]

And that is the reason is why the ignorant don't ask. Veterans think everyone not them is an idiot. They are wrong.

Not all of us. I agree that there are far too many people who get "instruct" and "insult" confused, but some of us take the time and employ patience when teaching new players how to handle the Warmaster. I always keep in mind that we were all new to this at one point. I understand that I'm a minority when it comes to this. Most of the time I go into a WM instance (and it's rare these days due to frustration with those that don't want to listen or don't care to) I give a brief synopsis of what's good and what's not so good when it comes to loadouts and tactics.

There are many issues with trying to teach the new blood. Several of them don't listen. Many lack the proper gear and/or perk unlocks to be effective. Some think that extracting will take you outside of the instance. Then you have people in there that are deliberately trying to force a loss. Those people are beyond helping because they are getting exactly what they want. The EGO tells you to "crack this nut open" the second you drop in, which is terribly confusing to new players that just don't know what they've gotten themselves into. The WM fight is different from every other one in the game. Nothing else requires the teamwork and tactics that this fight does, save for maybe Expert maps. Even then, it's more about staying alive and hitting a target rather than using the best possible gear and everyone focusing fire on a single target.

My point is that not all of us feel the need to insult those who don't know better. I don't think anyone is an idiot. I think they are either under-informed or purposefully griefing. The latter, while frustrating and inexcusable, still does not warrant getting hot under the collar as that is exactly the reaction they are trying to get.

[Jasper Townsend]

If you're new how are you supposed to even know you are using the wrong weapons or the wrong perks? If you're experienced how about sharing that experience before the locks are broken without being an ******? If you're experienced then you know newcomers don't know this stuff and you have the opportunity to educate them in those minutes before the lock breaks.

Or as I said in an earlier post here. Is it more important that you have something to complain about.

If you want improvement in newcomers, educate them. Without being an ******.

You have the opportunity before every Warmaster event to educate the ignorant. Remove that ignorance by educating them.

Our clan as matter of routine sends info on team chat every time we are in a warmaster event--weapons, perks, tactics. Usually 1 or 2 people respond positively. I suspect that most do not have team chat enabled, but educating new players is part of the mission. Clan is an excellent catalyst for character advancement. You don't have to have one, but don't be a complete loner unless you are going to read these forums religiously. Just my 2 scrip.

[Gus_Tarball]

I played closed beta. I found there wasn't enough game worth $60. Or $10. Now I'm here at least for a while.

[SirServed]

And that is the reason is why the ignorant don't ask. Veterans think everyone not them is an idiot. They are wrong.

This is not true. While I don't think of new players as idiots until they prove so, I also don't have the time of day to educate EVERY new player I come across. I have a clan with new players in it. As a high ranking officer in said clan, I have a responsibility to them. Another factor that I stated in a previous thread is that clans are too easy to form. When clan leadership is clueless and recruits a bunch of new players, unless a veteran can educate someone of influence in said clan, they are going to figure things out on a terrible learning curve. That turns into a LOT of community service.

[Gus_Tarball]

Our clan as matter of routine sends info on team chat every time we are in a warmaster event--weapons, perks, tactics. Usually 1 or 2 people respond positively. I suspect that most do not have team chat enabled, but educating new players is part of the mission. Clan is an excellent catalyst for character advancement. You don't have to have one, but don't be a complete loner unless you are going to read these forums religiously. Just my 2 scrip.

I'd be interested in joining your clan. My in-game name is Grus Tarball. I like playing with people who think and are interested in beating the siege instead of individually topping the chart.

[Deunan]

no, dets are good to use, ground pounders especially

You are wrong. The priority is to break the crystal armor. The instant that happens everyone's DPS will increase dramatically even if they are using poorly chosen weapons. Detonators do nothing to damage the armor. All they do is inflate your personal damage.

at the end of the run I was #3 in total points

Points =/= damage. This perception is part of the problem with the scoring system. I can outscore other players at the Warmaster that I know are doing more damage than me. It proves nothing.

[samuelsinn]

And how are people supposed to know this unless you suggest weapons and fire types? Every time you get in a Warmaster group if necessary.

While you're sitting there waiting for the ideal conditions for the attack why not improve that possibility by educating newcomers? Or is it more important that you be able to complain about no one knowing anything?

the overly sad part is. on PC WE DO educat the new comers. we inform EVERY ONE in a war master what needs to be used what needs to be done and how to do it acheve it and get it done. we have even changed up for the arm to the back and found more wins that way. the problum is. the trolls.

the people that refuse to exstract.
the people that refuse to wait
the people like cyber superman up there that beleave there demands matter and that them loseing every time becuse there to lazyt to wait 30 mins for a group or clan of good players that know what there doing to come in . cant wait and want there fial done and over with

that is why i am implamenting the no spike law. if you dont own the DLC i am not laying a spike down ever agine.

i am tiered of failing becuse people dont want to listen.
i am tiered of failing becuse people refuse to do as informed.
as the forum says. as the players say. as the elites and the vets and as all the other people that have been playing for more then a year know nad have been doing sence day one do

i will not waist my ark battarys anymore on people that refuse to learn and wish to troll. if thay want the ark forge. the xp and the scrip. and the salvage they can do it on there own.

when there is no one left to do war masters. and the noobs start screaming no fair. and why is no one calling down arks. then and only then. will trion see that there timers are a waist of our time. and that screwing with the war master that they said thay would never NEVER change. (( words from tricks mouth that he would never change the war master )) shouldnt of been messed with to begine with.

mark my word. when the warmaster stops poping . every one is going to know about it .

@Blu, ur minerly missinforming people. when it comes to guns to use in the war master. ground pounds and the likes do nothing to his armour it does derect damage to the wm himself. by useing them all anyone is doing is earning points there not doing the damaage or the DPS needed to drop his armour at all. that is why every one says tech mag, smg, lmg, and ARs and why every one says to use full auto weapons. u want to hit him as hard and fast as u can to drop his armour eather on his back or his arm.

for most its the back becuse its only one sheet of armour and not 2 sheets of armour like on the arm. its also a bigger target. and there are perks that make it so u do more damage to his back such as sucker punch.

every one swears up and down that wolf hounds are the crit gun of crit guns. but not every one can find a dubble or tripple crit wolf hound. let alone an assasson one.
so most people dont know what to use. ie why i sajust a cyclon sniper. or a rappid fire high crit simi auto sniper with a fire abillity. hell ill even go as far as saying use a high crit SMG if u have one. anything is better then nothing.

also. it dont matter if people are at the top of the score bord. that means nothing in the match. u can be top of the charts every time. and still not win. u can have the same 50 ego lvl 100-1500 atthe top of the chart and never win a single war master.

why is this ? becuse the scoring for war master is not like it once was. its not about who gets the most points or any of that anymore. its about just killing him. hiting him as hard as you can and droping him. the scroeings nothing. litterly. u get nothing for being at the top. u get nothing for being at the bottem. u get the good stuff period for wining.

[Xaat Xuun]

wished someone would had talked to me on my first WM experience, was told to bust them nuts open so I did, no one said any thing in chat to stop either, they just stood there not helping me break them nuts.
Later I learned not to break them nuts so soon, after a week or so had passt, I was getting tired of always dying, and started a post asking what I needed to do, which perks should I use for the Warnaster raid, I received my answers and they were all good, and one posted a link to a WM guide, which was where I learned which were the ideal weapon load out.
Just saying it took me a week before I asked .. Since then I have seen players posting in chat a guide for others to read, success went from 1 out of 5 wins, to 3 out of 5 wins, (this was pre-1.5)
The first closest win I’ve had post - 1.5, was when there was just 6 of us. After that a couple closer ones were all we needed would be 60 more seconds on the clock (at the rate of the WM HP going down), best closest win was on PC EU, actually all the closest wins have been there for me, but I’m sure on that one 5 (maybe 10 at most more) seconds and it would had been a win

Note : I fell asleep while writing this, and forgot where I was going with it, maybe there is a message in it I was trying to point out