Warmaster Event Changes in Defiance 2.1

[Deunan]

Good hunting,

Creative Lead Trick Dempsey

While it's ridiculous to expect players to wait for extended periods of time (the anecdotes you mentioned during Live Stream about asking them to wait not because there weren't enough people but because someone's friend wanted to attend but also wanted to finish their co-op map made me roll my eyes), 3 and half minutes is extreme and an even shorter time than what you mentioned during livestream.

That being said on an entirely different but related matter, you've displayed an appalling lack of tact and social skills in you're unnecessary, extremely biased and distorted mispresentation of the current situation. It's both disappointing and transparently clear that you've chosen to ally yourselves with a demographic of players which is not even remotely objectively correct in their gaming philosophy simply because you either lack the common sense or your devs lack the programming skills to implement the solution that any competent development team would choose, which is to provide proper raiding tools for the Warmaster. Falsely vilifying those who disagree with that gaming philosophy by characterizing the whole group with the extremist behavior of a small part of that group in an effort to cover that up borders on a form of bigotry

When combined with telling players that they have to be better organized to do the Warmaster while knowing full well that you're responsible for making that difficult at best and practically impossible for some of the platforms because of your perpetual failure to fix stability issues for those platforms, on top of your failure to implement the basic raid tools found in every other MMO for this otherwise extremely poorly implemented game content, you came off sounding like an arrogant, condescending, contemptible and obnoxious individual.

All you had to say was that there is a growing social rift being caused by different goals among the player community when it comes to the Warmaster and that in an effort to maintain a reasonable pace for the event and to close that rift, timers are being implemented for the opening of the vents to the Warmaster chamber and the breaking of the locks for the Warmaster and then gone on to explain the exact mechanics.

I honestly don't know what possessed you to needlessly and openly insult an entire segment of your player demographic when you knew you were making a development decision which was going to upset them as it only serves to further alienate them. Maybe you're the kind of individual that likes to kick a dog when he's down but I would like to think that this was simply a poorly thought out act. Hopefully you can take something positive from this experience so that in the future you'll exercise more tact and class when addressing the player community about game development decisions.

[DeadEye68]

To fit in the scheme of this modification shouldn't the "kill the volge WM" be replaced by a "fail to kill the WM 50 times" pursuit ?

That would definitely fit the "spirit of the game".

[duction]

Don't worry about it people, nothing has really changed.. The one or two idiots that break locks early will still get a bad rep in game and our great community can continue to not let them in the top clans and refuse to sell them any decent items until they learn the hard way.

Just troll them back the way we do best =)

[samuelsinn]

It might not do much but maby its time to hit the sifi forum and voice our displeasure. its got to have a better chance then here.

yes that right there , lets take our problum to the company that is runing the show that the content we are reseveing in game is based off. and lets see just how long the contract that trion has with said company holds out when the ocmpany finds out that the one dev in this world that is the go between for the trion CEOS and scifi has just insolted well over 40,000 + players that spent well over 100$ at the most to get a game that ultamitly was latter tuirned into a F2P POS ? why not. im game. maybe someone there at sci fi will like to hear all of the 40k + players that payed trions bills insted of trion them self.

while where at it lets go to the deep net and inform the world there also. and then go around to all forums that we can find that being somewhere in the 50 millions range. be them english or russien or kantanies . japanes. chines. and lets post there as well. hell lakes make it a revaluson let the world see what we the vets see . let the world know what we the vets know.

but over all. i have one question ? how long has trick been gameing in the F2P gameing field. let alone gameing at all ? i know min going on 29 years my self. starting as a babe i use to " play " by chewing on an atary remote while my mother played the game beside me. and also chewing on a NES remote. hell i broke my first tooth on a Dpad. gameing is in my blood. so tell me. anyone know how long tricks been gameing ?

becuse i truthfuly. beleave. he has never truly gamed a day in his life. and had to put up with all the things we have. a real gamer be them PC be them Xbox PS or any other console out there. we know what gamers want. we voice what gamers want. we are the minority we are THE LOCK KEEPERS. and we are more then trick thinks.

on a side note. as of today i will not be droping anymore ark battarys in game ever agine for any of the major arkbrakes that are around. i will be trolling in game from now on useing whatever gun i want in ark brakes and i will only be there if one falls to get and reseve a fail i will no longer wait i will no longer waist my time. i am oing into thes to level weapons and level weapons is what i will do. i will not crawl on the floor and stair up at all of you and i will also laugh and troll every ark fall that lands never once paying for another one thank you all. mmmmmaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

[Mesohorny]

"Lock keepers seek to prolong the lock-breaking step until the number of players inside the Warmaster event meets or exceeds 24 players,These players are extremely active on the forums and in-game, but still constitute a small minority of players.

I wonder what their definition of "extremely active" is? basically they are calling forum users the minority? So apparently they are more concerned with the noobs in the game and how they feel?

I like how everything Trick said was most def a slap in the face to those that care abut this game. lol

[drackiller]

The War Masters threat level scaling needs to be looked into. As of now Players 'strongly advise' waiting for more players because that's whats needed to win. Anything more then 2 players makes the War Master a T10 which then at minimum needs 30+ players to get enough fire power to beat him with the exception of very few instances of having a group of All Star known name players, then its a givin the WM is going to get beat, but that's hardly the case. With any group of randoms if you don't have a large enough team to break one of the WM's crystals at the 4 minute mark then that's a tell all sign that the team is not pushing out enough fire power and you are not going to come close to defeating him.

And for sure that there are a slew of unused strategies and tools that players never had to go about using against the WM since over whelming numbers was the easy key to winning. But this is a player base that had an imposable time in trying to rally together and kill Apex Afflicted Hulkers for the Snake Bite pursuit. Even if the community does devise a strategy against the WM with some kind of success rate the rewards of getting anything good from slaying the WM are slim to none. Its not going to be worth the chance or the hassle in trying to defeat it if that stays the case.

The WM has to be balanced out to accommodate the casual players aka 'Lock breakers' if the hardcore players 'Lock keepers' are going to be taking out of the equation. Because the Lock keepers have been the only thing ever standing between losing or ever having a chance at winning against the War Master.

I make mine your words Master Nefarious, very well spoken.

I think that from now on i`ll go to the chamber only with BMGs, Infectors and Volge weapons and just have fun, and no one can call me a Troll then because i`ll be playing as intended.

Very good Trion.

[samuelsinn]

While it's ridiculous to expect players to wait for extended periods of time (the anecdotes you mentioned during Live Stream about asking them to wait not because there weren't enough people but because someone's friend wanted to attend but also wanted to finish their co-op map made me roll my eyes), 3 and half minutes is extreme and an even shorter time than what you mentioned during livestream.

That being said on an entirely different but related matter, you've displayed an appalling lack of tact and social skills in you're unnecessary, extremely biased and distorted mispresentation of the current situation. It's both disappointing and transparently clear that you've chosen to ally yourselves with a demographic of players which is not even remotely objectively correct in their gaming philosophy simply because you either lack the common sense or your devs lack the programming skills to implement the solution that any competent development team would choose, which is to provide proper raiding tools for the Warmaster. Falsely vilifying those who disagree with that gaming philosophy by characterizing the whole group with the extremist behavior of a small part of that group in an effort to cover that up borders on a form of bigotry

When combined with telling players that they have to be better organized to do the Warmaster while knowing full well that you're responsible for making that difficult at best and practically impossible for some of the platforms because of your perpetual failure to fix stability issues for those platforms, on top of your failure to implement the basic raid tools found in every other MMO for this otherwise extremely poorly implemented game content, you came off sounding like an arrogant, condescending, contemptible and obnoxious individual.

All you had to say was that there is a growing social rift being caused by different goals among the player community when it comes to the Warmaster and that in an effort to maintain a reasonable pace for the event and to close that rift, timers are being implemented for the opening of the vents to the Warmaster chamber and the breaking of the locks for the Warmaster and then gone on to explain the exact mechanics.

I honestly don't know what possessed you to needlessly and openly insult an entire segment of your player demographic when you knew you were making a development decision which was going to upset them as it only serves to further alienate them. Maybe you're the kind of individual that likes to kick a dog when he's down but I would like to think that this was simply a poorly thought out act. Hopefully you can take something positive from this experience so that in the future you'll exercise more tact and class when addressing the player community about game development decisions.

u have made a statment that will go down in history as the one and only statment that was ever needed to be said. thank you for stating in your post what over 40,000 + players are feeling at this vary moment. and thank you for just being you. i tip my hat to you and bow out.

+10

[Etaew]

While I appreciate communication and changes to the game, this post is the second in a line of controversial announcements in recent days. I also try to keep in mind that when writing it can sometimes be difficult to articulate the spirit and tone of points you are trying to make when they are written down.

I understand the difficulty trying to find a middle ground between the lock keepers and breakers, I just think this sides far more closely to the breakers while giving us the impression that we the vocal active minority of us on the forums don't really matter. This may not have been your intention.

The claim is that to beat the Warmaster we must prepare beforehand, and as rightly pointed out by others in the thread there are no tools for us to do this. People who do try, will never be guaranteed to be in the same area, and we would have to prepare beforehand to be separated and figure out how to exit one instance and teleport to another. The idea of having the ability to switch between phases apart from the jump to friend was dismissed outright.

I know it has been mentioned about the desire to create private matches, but this wasn't mentioned as something coming in this patch, that in my opinion would have made the announcement a little more palatable. But this itself has its own problems, taking away the active forum minority as you call us from the main public groups and into our own. This would leave all the lockbreakers and new players together in an instance with no-one to tell them how to behave correctly and significantly decreasing the chances of the public group completing the encounter.

While I can agree that waiting for a longer time to try and maximise the potential rewards from a Warmaster encounter isn't fair on those with limited time for playing, and that it just isn't fun to sit around as I have experienced this. And I can acknowledge the fact that the Warmaster has such a good drop rate for completion that simply making the encounter easier would bring us back to the days where he was regular defeated (I miss those days).

And that having something that isn't easily obtainable, in a raid style can keep people interested. I honestly believe that this change will raise the difficulty of the encounter without providing anything else to support the social experience and planning that should be involved of success.

The short answer: The Warmaster was a lot more enjoyable when he was easier, I'd probably prefer a return to that level of difficulty or the removal of the timer.

[Mesohorny]

yes that right there , lets take our problum to the company that is runing the show that the content we are reseveing in game is based off. and lets see just how long the contract that trion has with said company holds out when the ocmpany finds out that the one dev in this world that is the go between for the trion CEOS and scifi has just insolted well over 40,000 + players that spent well over 100$ at the most to get a game that ultamitly was latter tuirned into a F2P POS ? why not. im game. maybe someone there at sci fi will like to hear all of the 40k + players that payed trions bills insted of trion them self.

while where at it lets go to the deep net and inform the world there also. and then go around to all forums that we can find that being somewhere in the 50 millions range. be them english or russien or kantanies . japanes. chines. and lets post there as well. hell lakes make it a revaluson let the world see what we the vets see . let the world know what we the vets know.

but over all. i have one question ? how long has trick been gameing in the F2P gameing field. let alone gameing at all ? i know min going on 29 years my self. starting as a babe i use to " play " by chewing on an atary remote while my mother played the game beside me. and also chewing on a NES remote. hell i broke my first tooth on a Dpad. gameing is in my blood. so tell me. anyone know how long tricks been gameing ?

becuse i truthfuly. beleave. he has never truly gamed a day in his life. and had to put up with all the things we have. a real gamer be them PC be them Xbox PS or any other console out there. we know what gamers want. we voice what gamers want. we are the minority we are THE LOCK KEEPERS. and we are more then trick thinks.

on a side note. as of today i will not be droping anymore ark battarys in game ever agine for any of the major arkbrakes that are around. i will be trolling in game from now on useing whatever gun i want in ark brakes and i will only be there if one falls to get and reseve a fail i will no longer wait i will no longer waist my time. i am oing into thes to level weapons and level weapons is what i will do. i will not crawl on the floor and stair up at all of you and i will also laugh and troll every ark fall that lands never once paying for another one thank you all. mmmmmaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

i realize you don't care about spelling, but it was kind of hard to read, but then again i got a "B" in typo-i-don't-give-a-fcuk-neese.

Edet: you posd beelow aehmuses me

[samuelsinn]

I think that from now on i`ll go to the chamber only with BMGs, Infectors and Volge weapons and just have fun, and no one can call me a Troll then because i`ll be playing as intended.

Very good Trion.

lets start a new WM guide . all of the rulls are as such

1: brake all the locks emedeitly as soon as u go in without careing who is around u or in the room with you.
2: give every one the finger when the monkey is light up with bright flashes of blue comeing from yur volge BR
3: run around screaming in chat " THIS IS HOW TRICK WANTS IT DONE " OVER AND OVER AGINE
4: after loseing laugh miniicly in chat " MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH" AND WATCH THE HATE ROLL IN
finaly. if by some merical u manage to win,
5: scrap any weapon that is given to u and never use them that way the airhead tracking drops in trions little hole in a wall can see that nothing that is given in WM is worth it.