Reward System needs major overhaul

[bleuzarro]

I know there's been a lot of complaints thus far, but honestly my number one concern is the reward system. I never get anything decent out of anything that I do, and it's all the exact same numbers, for everything. Since I started playing it I got 15-25 xp for anything I killed, and here at 234 ego, I'm still getting the same. I killed a mini Boss that was easier than the Raider Tankers in one of the Instances, and got way less XP for it than a regular raider tanker enemy.

Diablo 3 was repetitive. Borderlands 2 was repetitive. The things that made me, as a gamer, want to keep playing was the awesome loot I could gain. Even after buying several tier 3, and right now working on my first tier 4 box, I barely get anything decent. Purple weapons can be about as good as a green weapon. I use the same weapon forever and ever, and have only unlocked 2 outfits from story missions. So far the clothing and such seems to either come from pre-ordering the game thru steam, or by paying real money for it with bits.

I want cool weapons. I want to be excited when I get new unlocks. I want side missions to have different amounts of XP and story missions to have better payoffs. Because right now I may lose more scrip dying from some stupid side mission than I ever get for actually completing it.

Don't mean to rant and rave. I do enjoy the game. It's a cool world, it's fun. I know this is launch. But just by tweaking the things we GAIN from the game would make my own personal satisfaction skyrocket. That may just be me. Thoughts?

TL: DR - PLEASE, Better loot/gear to find/buy. Stores suck. Drops suck. Everything's the same.

[Warlander]

I know there's been a lot of complaints thus far, but honestly my number one concern is the reward system. I never get anything decent out of anything that I do, and it's all the exact same numbers, for everything. Since I started playing it I got 15-25 xp for anything I killed, and here at 234 ego, I'm still getting the same. I killed a mini Boss that was easier than the Raider Tankers in one of the Instances, and got way less XP for it than a regular raider tanker enemy.

Diablo 3 was repetitive. Borderlands 2 was repetitive. The things that made me, as a gamer, want to keep playing was the awesome loot I could gain. Even after buying several tier 3, and right not working on my first tier 4 box, I barely get anything decent. Purple weapons can be about as good as a green weapon. I use the same weapon forever and ever, and have only unlocked 2 outfits from story missions. So far the clothing and such seems to either come from pre-ordering the game thru steam, or buy paying real money for it with bits.

I want cool weapons. I want to be excited when I get new unlocks. I want side missions to have different amounts of XP and story missions to have better payoffs. Because right now I may lose more scrip dying from some stupid side mission than I ever get for actually completing it.

Don't mean to rant and rave. I do enjoy the game. It's a cool world, it's fun. I know this is launch. But just by tweaking the things we GAIN from the game would make my own personal satisfaction skyrocket. That may just be me. Thoughts?

TL: DR - PLEASE, Better loot/gear to find/buy. Stores suck. Drops suck. Everything's the same.

Oh this again, NO, it doesnt work that way, if weapons scaled drastically they would have to do the same to mobs, since thats not how the game works, then they cant do this with weapons, as is as you rank up your weapons get better.

once you find ultra rare items you get bonus stats and things.
This is how the game is, if you dont like it go play wow lots of leveling to do there.

[RobbyReiter]

I actually wanted to know this. Saw a bunch of YouTube videos and the guy was complaining how all drops are exactly the same stat wise, with just mods and such that you can play around with.

So do rewards in this game not increase in power as one progresses?

[Warlander]

I actually wanted to know this. Saw a bunch of YouTube videos and the guy was complaining how all drops are exactly the same stat wise, with just mods and such that you can play around with.

So do rewards in this game not increase in power as one progresses?

Shields do, as you find better versions of the same shield they get more Hp's weapon damage doesnt, weapon damage is increased by your ego rating, mods, and rarity bonuses. This is how the game is intended.

[RobbyReiter]

Aaah. So its not a Borderlands type lootwhorng type experience?

[Warlander]

Aaah. So its not a Borderlands type lootwhorng type experience?

It still is actually, because there are many variations of weapons, like shotguns ive found ones that fire grenades, ones that do slugs, pellets, spreads, fans, fire, acid etc etc etc, now coupled with the fact that really rare ones have synergy mod bonuses, then you need to find rare synergy mods, coupled with finding the weapon that you like the best, there is a ton of options it will take a long time to find that perfect weapon for you.

Its just not the same old, gain level get stronger item, kill stronger creature, its not that kind of game.

[bleuzarro]

ok, so then honestly, what kinda game is this? any sort of MMO that I've ever played, or any sort of game where you do the same thing over and over, it's in order to progress. I feel like this is just a state of limbo, where we kill the same mob we already killed with the same gun we've already been using, to go get scrip that the only half decent thing to spend on is damn vehicles, because all of the in store weapons suck, and there is no auction house. you just run do one identical side mission of kill this and turn these things on and escort that person. then do a story mission that may be slightly different, and never getting better weapons, just using the same thing until it "upgrades" itself and you get a slightly better item? With no huge impact? Plus half the mods i get for weapons, I cant even use, and they arent even that interesting in the first place. So is this just a giant circle jerk to see how long we can do the same thing without getting anything from it? After all, since they created rift, I expected a little more.

[ZombehSlaughter]

Aaah. So its not a Borderlands type lootwhorng type experience?

Nah, the game isn't like Borderlands or Diablo where it's "loot loot loot." There are actually some pretty big spaces between when you get loot, at least for me that's the way it's been, and loot drops have always been pretty crappy, save one or two. But they want you to save up your keycodes and scrip to purchase the Lockboxes which have some pretty good gear, granted they also drop crap gear from time to time.

[Raserei]

/signed More depth in the loot system and item system! Rift was amazing! Why can't the loot in Defiance be just as amazing!?

[Warlander]

ok, so then honestly, what kinda game is this? any sort of MMO that I've ever played, or any sort of game where you do the same thing over and over, it's in order to progress. I feel like this is just a state of limbo, where we kill the same mob we already killed with the same gun we've already been using, to go get scrip that the only half decent thing to spend on is damn vehicles, because all of the in store weapons suck, and there is no auction house. you just run do one identical side mission of kill this and turn these things on and escort that person. then do a story mission that may be slightly different, and never getting better weapons, just using the same thing until it "upgrades" itself and you get a slightly better item? With no huge impact? Plus half the mods i get for weapons, I cant even use, and they arent even that interesting in the first place. So is this just a giant circle jerk to see how long we can do the same thing without getting anything from it? After all, since they created rift, I expected a little more.

You realize you just described every mmo ever made, youve been brainwashed into believing that because you level up your getting better, the progression here isnt verticle its horizontal, instead of everything scalling up, things change across, its really the same thing, but because mobs arnt getting drastically stronger there is no need for weapons to do the same.

You need to stop thinking about this like other mmo's and enjoy it for what it is, its mostly a shooter, and a damn fun one.
Its no more of a circle jerk than any other mmo, its all how you look at it.