Complaints about PVP affect PVE players again

[Shakk]

Before these news I sold a purple Zagger for 2.75 million scrip. After these news is there anyone willing to buy my last Zagger for 2.75 million? Or was this nerf enough to scare people away?

[duction]

They will still be the best shotgun to use

[Reeco Petoe]

It scales down

I doubt that it does...

I would be willing to see video proof of it, as well as your zagger/wolfhound warmaster....

[Shakk]

I doubt that it does...

I would be willing to see video proof of it, as well as your zagger/wolfhound warmaster....

I have experienced that health of the enemies scales down in coops even when someone goes AFK and stands still at the beginning of the instance and the rest pushes forward. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it scales down.

Why dont you try it yourself? You are the one who cares about it.

[mYsca]

Its still a massive dps nerf for PvE. You wont be able to run the 75%-100% uptime on ego powers with most guns.
Clearspeed in expert would go up making you waste more time in there. Warmaster ends up being harder. Factor in the big encryption nerf for newer players (less access to top of the line weapons) the overall dps of the entire group will drop significant.

For PvE things have to be rebalanced significantly.

I must say the old cloak with the perk setup wasnt in line of balance but with new cloak I dont see it being an issue in PvP. With blur is was already pretty meh. But cant really tell for console players.

[mYsca]

They will still be the best shotgun to use

I would take a VOT Fragger of Volge Breacher over it any time of the day in PvP.

[Reeco Petoe]

I have experienced that health of the enemies scales down in coops even when someone goes AFK and stands still at the beginning of the instance and the rest pushes forward. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it scales down.

Why dont you try it yourself? You are the one who cares about it.

So no video proof of your zagger/wolfhound team killing the warmaster?

No video proof of you beating an expert co-op solo?

[Fuzzy]

I doubt that it does...

I would be willing to see video proof of it, as well as your zagger/wolfhound warmaster....

It does scale down. I've run several co-ops alone and they were much much easier.
A Rioter took about 2 shots from my Big Boomer when alone, when in a group of 4, 2 shots maybe take away 25-30% of his health, even though they are at the same position.
Shakk's right.

Also, it only has a 10 second cooldown. Some weapons take longer than 10 seconds to fully empty a magazine.
Take the Warmaster for example. I run two weapons with ego power recharge on full reload for it, but most of the time, I can never shoot at him all the time because he runs away. So adjusting my position, emptying the magazine, it most likely takes more than 10secs.
Everywhere else in PvE, DPS is not the most important thing because nothing else is a DPS race. It won't affet WM runs too much, IMO.
You are able to use overcharge not all the time. More damage doesn't grant you more score. The fight itself takes maybe in a whole a minute more or two.

[Shakk]

So no video proof of your zagger/wolfhound team killing the warmaster?

No video proof of you beating an expert co-op solo?

You make it sound like I already have a team of 24 people stacked with Zaggers and Wolfhounds, waiting for my command to slay the Warmaster for me. I only said that he would probably go down faster with a team of zagger/wolfhounds than with people using [insert random gun here]

[Arsenic_Touch]

You make it sound like I already have a team of 24 people stacked with Zaggers and Wolfhounds, waiting for my command to slay the Warmaster for me. I only said that he would probably go down faster with a team of zagger/wolfhounds than with people using [insert random gun here]

Please tell me you're trolling here. Do you actually believe that a zagger is remotely useful in a warmaster fight?