The end of Defiance!! or even the end of Trion??

[Bentu]

OP it sounds to me that you are a little burned out and just need to take a break. Don't know how long you've been playing but just take some time out on another game for a while and come back.

It works for me and I've got over 100 days played in game.

[MrClip26]

So pretty much you and everyone here on the forums (crying) is mad they can't upgrade whites to oranges no more..that's what i see from reading the forums in the last week or so. -deleted-

and whoever spends real money in game, ect bits ect..well shame on you.. ON ANY GAME. dlc excluded.

things i would change since my return. to list 1
Keycodes earned.
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i am still adjusting to all the changes made. (probably not much longer as the game is almost empty most days now)
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wont be back to this thread to read your or anyones reply.

deleted alot of my post to avoid being banned.

[squidgod2000]

Im ego 5800. it gets repetitive...

It's an MMO (technically). It's designed to be repetitive.

[squidgod2000]

I really wish we had a higher retention rate, and people rightly find faults with the end/elder game. I know the devs have some plans for this, but for new things we probably have to wait until the end of the TV season as they are tied up with crossover content.

Man, I can't even imagine the endgame getting any worse...

...but apparently the devs can.

[430005]

but for new things we probably have to wait until the end of the TV season as they are tied up with nerfing everything into the ground

Fixed that for you.

...but apparently the devs can.

Yes, we can!

[LegendaryU2K]

Well he's not attacking me. I was just pointing out that this game is not pay to win lol. People always say that about games, and no game is really pay to win. Its more like " pay to enjoy ". Not defiance, but most online games are pay to enjoy.

As for defiance it self. This game is far from bored. I have fun just riding around town helping out people i see on the map, coming to their aid. Or i have fun, just finding cool items. There was another game i use to play but quit 4 months ago, i was looking for a game to replace it with. meaning, everything defiance has, that game did not. So I'm happy to play this. I honestly dont see how this game can get bored with so much stuff to do. Reminds me of GTA 3, which i had for years, still not bored yet.

My advice, play other games and just come back to defiance from to time . But good luck i guess.

[Bacon Overlord]

Well aware that this post most likely will get removed and med banned from the forums, I still have to speak up.
I would like to state that I do enjoy playing defiance and I do like the concept of the game.
But when that is said, of late, latest changes have made this game uninteresting to me.

I will now list some of the reasons why Defiance has reached this status to me.

1) Empty servers.
Defiance is a MMO. There for the servers should be crowded. A game must hold some sort of co-op before it is interesting to me. I want to play games with my friends and meet new friends. I see the empty servers as a respond, from the gaming community, to Trion as a farewell. And many of my friends have said that and wowed they will never buy another Trion game again.

2) Pay-to-win
The free-to-play bit is to me a cover-up for introducing Pay-to-win. We see this as the drastically reduced numbers of keycodes and arkforge, which have been made essential in order to get better weapons. Top this up with the outrageous prices we are offered to buy the illusive arkforge and we got the worst concept in gaming. Pay-to-win.

3) No fun playing
The repetitive tasks/quests/pursuits etc. has made defiance boring. The has to been something new. Something to entertain us. Something to achieve.
I will however agree that Trion is trying, but it is not working. As I see their efforts, we gamers are runners trying to do a race, and Trion, every time we get close to the finish line, they prolong the race. Same stuff just takes a bit longer. Boring!!
Bring in something really new. Like clan halls and clan outfits and cars. Or let us make events, not just death marches, but incursions, sieges and arkfalls. Introduce weapon forging. And make it so everyone can afford it.

4) Progress - Sense of purpose
There also has to be an experience of progress. A sense of purpose. Both in game and on the forums.
It is not very smart, for whatever reason, a statement was made that, we gamers, were playing the game wrong. To be fair, this is second hand information to me, but it goes very well in line with my other experiences. But if we gamers are not playing the game as Trion wishes, then try to change the game dynamics in a way for us to do so. Do not go blaming the community for undesired gaming behaviour when you, Trion, have the full control over the dynamics.
Another thing. Making forums where we, gamers, can help you, Trion, to make the game work better by submitting error/bug reports, and many do, but we get ignored. At best we get a reply, but nothing gets fixed. Only bug that are beneficial to the gamers gets fixed. If Trion think they lose out on a bug, it gets fixed the day after. But when it improves the gaming experience it takes forever if it ever gets fixed.
By going at it like that people gets the feeling that Trion do not care about their community, and the community are returning the favour.
In game progress has been terminated as well. As I mentioned in 2) Pay-to-win, it is now nearly impossible to accumulate arkforge, which is essential for progress in Defiance. After the latest patches I would be lucky if I could get 500 arkforge in a month. Which to me is ridiculous, since the demand for arkforge is growing each day. 2 week ago I summed up my need for arkforge. If I was to upgrade all my weapons to highest rarity. You know what, I needed 34.000 arkforge. And this is not including any rerolls of a weapons mastery. This is wrong!! And my appreciation for does not cover that timeframe.

Where does this leave me?
I will most like get banned. Feeling a bit depressed that a game that could be so great is not. But still at peace, because I too, will not buy or spend any money on a Trion game ever again. I simply cannot see why. If Trion does not change how they treat their users, I won't participate. I cannot trust Trion not to screw me over again.
But if Trion suddenly decides to wake up, and try to mend things by sorting out the issues I have with Defiance in its immediate state, I won't hesitate keep playing. Looking forward to what action Trion will take.
Best of luck.

Yours truly
Horup79

Umm.. is this a joke?

Just curious since.. none of that. Pretty much none of it. Makes any sense or is even true.

If anything there are too many people in each shard, instance, phase.. whatever you want to call it... The game has a purpose, otherwise you wouldn't have played it or posted that. The "pay to win" is nothing of the kind. You can play the game from start to finish without spending a dime.

Common misconception: Pay To Win means you actually HAVE To buy something in order to get through the game. Very few games are based on that premise. Given the fact that there are so many different types of social media anymore, usually they get dimed out right away. You can, however, pay for convenience items that don't given an unfair advantage (say in PVP) but allow the buyer something they feel has value. That's simply called the F2P architecture.

[Perchta]

Defiance isn't pay to win. For it to be so Trion would have to start selling store only super weapons, boosts, spikes and stims that could only be had via paying real life cash. Like a Tech Mag Pulser based on the best available in game version but with a increase in all stats by 10%+.

Take WoT(world of tanks) they sell Gold rounds. If you sling only Gold rounds which cost real life money (you can get with tons of in game earned credits now) you have a distinct advantage over someone slinging only regular ammo. Last time I played there were still people arguing that Gold rounds were pay to win. The same was said of some of WoT's real life cash Premium tanks. In some cases it was true, especially in the hands of someone or a group that knew how to over come the weaknesses of a Premium tank and exploit the positives. Nothing like the fun of a well practiced squad of 3-5 TOG IIs that know how to roll. TOG jokes can be funny.

There are pay to win armors in some games that when you wear them they are pretty much immune to every enemy damage type except perhaps one. So you carry a second of armor for when you go against an enemy that uses that damage type. That's pay to win.

Defiance lockboxes are nothing but slot machines.

[konstantinov]

It does look like we are on a downward trend after the release of F2P, I'm hoping that it levels off at a higher level than we had mid last season.

I really wish we had a higher retention rate, and people rightly find faults with the end/elder game. I know the devs have some plans for this, but for new things we probably have to wait until the end of the TV season as they are tied up with crossover content.

That graph is pretty horrid.

[Nairozet]

I still don't understand why people whine, complain about them game, give no positive feedback or just try to annoy everyone in game (any combination is possible and not limited to one), instead of just leaving.

The argumentation often used also feels flawed. "I have put so much time into this game" or "I invested so much money in this game".
How are these valid arguments to stay, get stressed, get annoyed and have no fun anymore? There are more than enough other games out there to play and what's more, there's also a whole -real- world out there to explore.
Perhaps i am weird in this way, but if a game did indeed go down to the drain (as a lot are basically calling it), i go away. No matter how much time and/or money i've put into it.