Trion - Pay Attention to How Bungie is Managing Community Expectations...

[BlackTalons]

On one hand, they do listen, but more importantly they did listen. They were quite receptive in the alpha/beta stage, many of the features you still enjoy were discussed then. They still had time constrains and relatively limited experience and manpower, so comparing Defiance development process to Destiny's is not really fair.

On the other hand, they did turn their backs to the lateral progression system, that was requested by the players in early alpha, and barely touched until 1.5, when they killed it off completely because of player complains. That's as good an example you are gonna get of why NOT listen to the playerbase. Always remember sturgeon's law when dealing with the masses.

[Nefarious]

Most of what you mentioned in this part of your post, were NOT community inspired changes. They were planned changes (planned far before the community ever asked for them, or released with planned DLCs). And the fact is, they haven't implemented half of what's on your list. Instead they did things that were completely opposite of what was asked for by the community (because grenades).

I'll give you the incursion thing, although I suspect that was already a planned expansion, just like ark breaks and charge blades (melee weapons) were. The outfit variants are a joke, not to mention I still haven't seen a truly unique outfit come out yet other than the show based stuff (yet again, not COMMUNITY inspired). The more "meaningful" use of nano effects were yet again an example of something that "may" have been community inspired, but was grossly maladjusted and rubbed many players the wrong way.

The only thing on that list that I see that was truly brought up by the community and actually implemented by Trion was using the salvage matrix for more (including upgrade rarity), which, yet again, they've completely hosed (because grenades).

Don't get me wrong, if they are able to right this ship and ACTUALLY implement meaningful community suggestions, I'll gladly come back. But they've done soooo many terrible things to this game and gone COMPLETELY against the community on them, that I'm just completely dumbfounded. My only point about Destiny adding beards is that they actually listen to the community, and it didn't take them 16 months to listen....

lol you say and assume that these things are "NOT" community inspired when before the fact they were released Trion says they were. Could it just be coincidence that the community asked for these things and they just so happen to be on 'the to do list'? Very well could be.

But the very same can be said about your "Destiny/Beards". aka 'Destiny listens to their community'. As if it was safe to assume beards were not going to ever be in the game but the community changed that very fact.

So until the Destiny community says something along the lines of the list of big ideas I pointed out and it so happens to have one of those big ideas make their way into the game (coincidence or not) I think its safe to say that Defiance listens to their community better when it comes to implementing community ideas.

[Bonehead]

So I've been reading through a lot of Destiny information, and seen / read many interviews with the Bungie Creative Leads. And guess what....they're listening to their customers! The people that actually play their game (that isn't even out yet BTW, Defiance is still in Beta too)...

For instance, after the Beta, people wanted to be able to put beards on their characters. And what is 99.9% confirmed? Beards! It's stupid and cosmetic, but the point is that the developers are ACTUALLY LISTENING TO THEIR CUSTOMERS and implementing their ideas! For over a year now, you've taken approximately ZERO ideas from the community and actually implemented them...

I know it's a foreign concept, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that you might turn this thing around if you'd just listen to us.

*Gets off soapbox*

Destiny has money and animators, artists and money. Did I mention money?

[Nefarious]

I played both the Alpha and Beta, and hate to burst your bubble but it does have a chat system, and its does have large areas in world. That you can completely traverse. But I digress......back on topic.

Large scale halo maps broken down into sections for campaign missions are not large worlds. Good that it has a chat system. Im glad for that, Im buying the game btw. What about trade?

[Bonehead]

On one hand, they do listen, but more importantly they did listen. They were quite receptive in the alpha/beta stage, many of the features you still enjoy were discussed then. They still had time constrains and relatively limited experience and manpower, so comparing Defiance development process to Destiny's is not really fair.

On the other hand, they did turn their backs to the lateral progression system, that was requested by the players in early alpha, and barely touched until 1.5, when they killed it off completely because of player complains.

The only reason they killed it was to sell arkforge.

[dramaQkarri]

This was NOT as Destiny is better than Defiance post...this WAS a post noting to Trion that if they want happy players, they should listen and actually implement changes we're asking for, not completely ignore us and implement crap that pushes people away...

That's what it was.

On the bright side, certain people will not be there to see how awesome it is. And some of us will be.

[wartitan]

lol you say and assume that these things are "NOT" community inspired when before the fact they Trion says they were. Could it just be coincidence that the community asked for these things and they just so happen to be on 'the to do list'? Very well could be.

But the very same can be said about your "Destiny/Beards". aka 'Destiny listens to their community'. As if it was safe to assume beards were not going to ever be in the game but the community changed that very fact.

So until the Destiny community says something along the lines of the list of big things I made... and so happens to have one of those big ideas make their way into the game (coincidence or not) I think its safe to say that Defiance listens to their community better when it comes to implementing community ideas.

Actually, the reason why I even made this post was because in an interview with one of the leads for Destiny, beards wasn't even on the radar. Because of the feedback from the community in the beta, they started 'a heated debate internally' and are looking at prioritizing it because of the feedback...

http://destinynews.net/custom-games-customization/

[RobDaCool]

Wonder how long Destiny will be out before people start complaining about it? :P

[wartitan]

Destiny has money and animators, artists and money. Did I mention money?

LOL, I swear this was NOT a Destiny vs Defiance game comparison of how much better Destiny will be than Defiance (even if my opinion is that it will be).... I was simply trying to raise the awareness that Bungie actually listens to the community when it comes to shaping their games. Trion on the other hand....well....we all know their track record.

Honestly, if they make the changes that Nef mentioned (and it actually makes the game fun again), then I will gladly spend more time playing it. I think it might right the ship that's quickly heading aground, but it's whether or not they ACTUALLY deliver on the things they say they're going to. They've talked for months about fixing stability, and every patch has a mention of something that will fix stability, and yet somehow my disconnecting and lag just keeps getting worse and worse...

[Bonehead]

Wonder how long Destiny will be out before people start complaining about it? :P

Pretty sure that horse has left the barn.