Trion - Pay Attention to How Bungie is Managing Community Expectations...

[Unique One]

I don't see why Trion covets the orange tier weapons so much though, its a fricking digital item. If the legendaries out in world bother them then they should just make a new tier. Red tier...Divine. Make those the new sought after weapons.

Come on now... That would be sensible. Not gonna happen!

[Nefarious]

Big difference between balancing weapons and nerfing them into uselessness. Something else the Defiance community has been begging for....a combat shotgun that's ACTUALLY useful for PVE, but still hasn't even been considered a priority.

In addition to the fact that people get legendary shotguns/rocket launchers/infectors/BMGs and just break them down or vendor them because they have no use in ANY part of the game.

I guess you're right Nef, they have been implementing what the "community" wants (if you count the Creative Lead as the only member of that "community")

What weapons were nerfed to uselessness?

And a lot of this falls under the part of listening to the community for more meaningful drops with rolls and synergies that make more sense to have on certain weapon types. That's going to happen. But why you over look that even though it was mentioned I have no idea.

Now could of it or should of it worked like this in the first place with less trash loot? Yeah. But what other mmo 3rd person shooter was there before this that Trion could of taken cliff notes off of? They started with the same loot system with a majority of crap item drops just like any other mmo before it.

And I agree with infectors being undervalued since there is 2 that make the rest look like crap in comparison. Or how Rockets are all pretty much the same with nothing separating them through stats other then how they operate which makes only a few out off all of them worth while. Same with BMG. And I have no idea why you put Combat shotguns on this list.

[wartitan]

What weapons were nerfed to uselessness?

And a lot of this falls under the part of listening to the community for more meaningful drops with rolls and synergies that make more sense to have on certain weapon types. That's going to happen. But why you over look that even though it was mentioned I have no idea.

Now could of it or should of it worked like this in the first place with less trash loot? Yeah. But what other mmo 3rd person shooter was there before this that Trion could of taken cliff notes off of? They started with the same loot system with a majority of crap item drops just like any other mmo before it.

And I agree with infectors being undervalued since there is 2 that make the rest look like crap in comparison. Or how Rockets are all pretty much the same with nothing separating them through stats other then how they operate which makes only a few out off all of them worth while. Same with BMG. And I have no idea why you put Combat shotguns on this list.

The Immunizer comes to mind in terms of nerfed to uselessness, when it was changed from automatic to burst. There are others out there, just don't have the energy to go back and remember them. I put combat shotguns on that list because a Zagger at an arkfall or basically any other PVE event is utterly useless for scoring high. The only place combat shotties seem to be worth anything is for PvP. Mostly I was thinking of the first legendary item I ever pulled, the beautiful VBI PS-30 Slugger. Most useless piece of crap....

[Bonehead]

What weapons were nerfed to uselessness?

The firestorm and the thundershock for two off the top of my head. For that matter my favorite infector used to be the long range one until they nerfed the fire rate and damage too. They nerfed shoguns to dust a long time ago except for short barrel ones.

[QipQip]

Destiny has money and animators, artists and money. Did I mention money?

This.
Period.
End of thread.
They probably spend more on Redbull for the staff than Trion can put into Defiance.I'm sure the people working on Defiance are doing the best they can but you can't squeeze blood from a stone.

[wartitan]

The firestorm and the thundershock for two off the top of my head. For that matter my favorite infector used to be the long range one until they nerfed the fire rate and damage too. They nerfed shoguns to dust a long time ago except for short barrel ones.

The Immunizer is the one you're talking about Bone. I was PISSED when they nerfed that one, was easily the best infector in the game...

[wartitan]

This.
Period.
End of thread.
They probably spend more on Redbull for the staff than Trion can put into Defiance.I'm sure the people working on Defiance are doing the best they can but you can't squeeze blood from a stone.

I don't blame the actual developers or graphic designers for any of this...is Defiance as visually stunning as Destiny? No. Was that ever a problem for me? Nope. Is this a Destiny vs Defiance thread? Nope.

LOL, this is a Bungie vs Trion Worlds thread, specifically about the way they manage their game based on community feedback. It's simply my hope that Trion Worlds can look at the way successful gaming companies take and apply feedback from their customers without warping the idea and trading their dedicated community for a buck...

[Nefarious]

The Immunizer comes to mind in terms of nerfed to uselessness, when it was changed from automatic to burst. There are others out there, just don't have the energy to go back and remember them. I put combat shotguns on that list because a Zagger at an arkfall or basically any other PVE event is utterly useless for scoring high. The only place combat shotties seem to be worth anything is for PvP. Mostly I was thinking of the first legendary item I ever pulled, the beautiful VBI PS-30 Slugger. Most useless piece of crap....

It was the Strain Reducer mod that made Infectors fully auto. The Immunizer itself was never full auto. The Full Auto Immunizer because of the Strain Reducer made the other infectors useless in comparison. So what have you? One gun that makes a whole weapon class useless except for 1 or do something to tone that 1 down to help bring the others up to speed? Ppl think the Canker is OPed, a Full Auto Immunizer was unrivaled.

And as far as the Strain Reducer going from making Infectors to full auto to being a x1.10 fire rate never made the Immunizer useless as it has double the range when compared to other infectors. It is good at what it does but not to over powered in doing it.

And not every gun is made to score the highest at Ark Falls. Just because Combat shotguns don't excel at those events doesn't mean they are useless. That could be said about so many weapon types when comparing their use in events, just because they are not good at one doesn't make them a over all bust.

[Prothean]

This.
Period.
End of thread.
They probably spend more on Redbull for the staff than Trion can put into Defiance.I'm sure the people working on Defiance are doing the best they can but you can't squeeze blood from a stone.

It's not some magical curse they incurred by nerfing the favorite weapon of some gypsy. To reiterate what I said earlier, it's bad management that brought them low, and consequently led to their money problems (and rumors of bankruptcy). But don't take it from me, take it from the people who worked there: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Emp...RVW3108508.htm

[Bolgor_TheHound]

logged in jus to say destiny will be THEE next MMO to take center stage in our gaming community when it releases …See you all there!!!