Vets: I gotta ask...

[Major Crapshot]

I have just begun playing Defiance (yes, I am one of those F2P people) and I have been enjoying Defiance immensely, warts and all.

Anyway, I have been reading up on the forums to get a better feel for the game and the community in general. However, something has been driving me nuts and when I search for this topic, it comes up with either 20 to 44 pages of results. So I cannot find the genesis of this meme/inside joke that keeps recurring in both posts and a few signatures. So I gotta ask...

What is this "because grenades" I keep seeing?

Thank you.

Signed,

A curious neophyte.
(I refute the use of the word "noob").

[Amack]

It used to be that a player would have unlimited grenades of whatever type and you just had to wait for the cooldown to expire before you could throw another one. There were different levels to the strengths of each type, not just the regular rarity they have now. Trion decided to change it even though not a single person I remember liked the idea at the time, but they did it anyways.

Thus the great "Because Grenades" was born.

It is basically our way of saying... this makes no fricken sense, why are you doing this?

Of course, hindsight is 20/20 so now it makes much more sense, at least financially speaking. They reduced the number of inventory slots everyone gets and the majority of those are taken up by consumables like nades/spikes/stims etc.

[Sliverbaer]

It used to be that a player would have unlimited grenades of whatever type and you just had to wait for the cooldown to expire before you could throw another one. There were different levels to the strengths of each type, not just the regular rarity they have now. Trion decided to change it even though not a single person I remember liked the idea at the time, but they did it anyways.

Thus the great "Because Grenades" was born.

It is basically our way of saying... this makes no fricken sense, why are you doing this?

Of course, hindsight is 20/20 so now it makes much more sense, at least financially speaking. They reduced the number of inventory slots everyone gets and the majority of those are taken up by consumables like nades/spikes/stims etc.

Ah, the good old days. Had a grenade whenever you needed it. Instead of hunting for a drop at 0/0 or F1 / Start to bring the menu up, go over to Grenades, change grenades to some that you actually have 5/5.

Consumable vs Cooldown. Beacause. Grenades.

[Major Crapshot]

Amack and Sliverbaer:

Thank you for the responses! That was driving me around the bend! Or as they say in "ol' Blighty": driving me spare!

Now I understand and will understand whenever I see it.

[squidgod2000]

It used to be that a player would have unlimited grenades of whatever type and you just had to wait for the cooldown to expire before you could throw another one. There were different levels to the strengths of each type, not just the regular rarity they have now. Trion decided to change it even though not a single person I remember liked the idea at the time, but they did it anyways.

Thus the great "Because Grenades" was born.

It is basically our way of saying... this makes no fricken sense, why are you doing this?

Of course, hindsight is 20/20 so now it makes much more sense, at least financially speaking. They reduced the number of inventory slots everyone gets and the majority of those are taken up by consumables like nades/spikes/stims etc.

Nailed it.

[Z0mb13]

It used to be that a player would have unlimited grenades of whatever type and you just had to wait for the cooldown to expire before you could throw another one. There were different levels to the strengths of each type, not just the regular rarity they have now. Trion decided to change it even though not a single person I remember liked the idea at the time, but they did it anyways.

Thus the great "Because Grenades" was born.

It is basically our way of saying... this makes no fricken sense, why are you doing this?

Of course, hindsight is 20/20 so now it makes much more sense, at least financially speaking. They reduced the number of inventory slots everyone gets and the majority of those are taken up by consumables like nades/spikes/stims etc.

It wasn't just that the community didn't like it, it was that no one felt there were any problems with grenades at the time (people were mostly upset at the thought of fixing something that wasn't broken, when there were many other problems to sort out). I don't remember being upset at the grenade fix per say, but as you said at the time (hindsight is 20/20) I was more concerned with why this was prioritized over other issues.

[loosy]

nice share................

[Cavadus]

Little did we know that "because grenades" foreshadowed a string of horrible and unwanted design changes followed up by you-know-who openly mocking the player base in his missives.

This friggin' game...

[duction]

this game could of been bigger then destiny if they went down the correct path, instead of now what it has become.

we haven't left for bigger better games, we have left because this has had the life and fun sucked out of it,

[Bonehead]

Not just the change, that is the minor part of the story. Whoever came up with the idea thought the grenade refills should be specific to the type as well. They were all unique, not generic. If you had frag grenades you couldn't pick up pyro refills on the ground. After any action the ground was covered with so much trash you couldn't see anything but nade glow everywhere and you could only pick up one of each type of refill only if you changed loadouts or grenade types to free up the space needed. Pick up one grenade, switch loadouts, salvage extra grenade, switch loadout, pick up grenade, ad infinitum. It was poorly thought out, over complicated, cumbersome, and bush league. It wasn't until several months later that they finally changed it to how it is now. This system works fairly well but wasn't implemented until enough time passed so they could claim it was their idea.

Had they changed it from what it was to what it is now, there probably wouldn't have ever been the "because grenades" thing. That came from the very poor first implementation imho.