Article about State of Defiance...

[JadedSinn]

You are very wrong in that view most MMO gamers are over 18 only about 25% are Teens and only about 20% are under 18.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/featur...e_.php?print=1

im guessing that you dont know what IMO stands for. but thats fine. i love it when people feed me facts and over all feed me

in truth even your veiw and " link " are off. if you pay attention to the real gameing world spaning the world. in the us alone the ammount of children playing games is little over 45% of them, this is not proven but this is a statistic that has been flouting around for some time now if you can find it. as for adult gamers if you look at the age that most of us grew up in it is not hard to beleave that we the children of the 90s and 80s are the main group of gamers out there. seeing as we grew up in an age when tech was starting to bloom into something good. most of us started gaming on the old NES and SNES back when thy first game out. and some even sooner then that in arcades and on the atari

ya major throw back there. atari man i feel old sometimes. anyway. its true that there is a large population of adult gamers but at the same time you have to account for ammount of time played in any age range. children below 10 do not game as much as children above 10 and to 18 becuse of there parents controling there habbits better. but the children above 10 play more hours then most adults do becuse thy have more free time then an avarage adult does.

parents are spending time takeing care of there kids and working jobs to pay bills and take care of the household. over all a resposnabul adult gamer unless there some rich kid that got everything from mommy and daddy worbucks then there only gameing a few hours on there days off and spending the rest of the time with there better helf and or children.

but then you have to account for the NEETS and freaks and geeks that have no lifes outside of the 4 walls that is there bed room in there mothers basment or there best friends house. who spend over 8-10 hours gameing aday (( i fall into this catagory sadly )) to truly brake it down.

45% are children under the age of 18 playing for 3-8 hours a day.
15-20% are adults with kids playin 2-5 hours on days off when there not busy doing other things. or playing 1-2 hours a night when there just off work.
another 15-25% is the neets of the world peoiple that have no lifes and play games day in and day out with nothing better to do.
the last % is people that dont game at all.

ALL of this is my own take on the gameing world. it is MY opinion. and how i divers the gameing world out.

but thank you for giveing me something new to read. i was bored today and have nothing to realy do due to heavy lag in the servers. (( think its another Ddos or someone forgot to put the hampster back on its wheel when thy did maintnace on the servers the other day ))

edit 1: also like to note that he only servayed Over the past 5 years, over 35,000 MMORPG players through online surveys , this means he did not servay EVERY gamer out there so his figures are off by ALOT o.o just so you know. 35k does not make up the worlds population of gamers. thats only about gaaa my math is bad on this but ima say aboutr 10% of the gameing world. it might even be lower then that. so over all his figures are way off chart and are higher then thy realy are. or should be.


edit 2: almost forgot . something else the person iun your artical forgot to account for is that children under the age of 12 are less likely to fill out a servay. let alone understand one. and not all children under 12 are gamers on PC there handheld gamers and consol players. AND . the number he used for the ammount of people he servayed. as a small side note. is less then the population of the town i reside in. witch is only 46,000 people. o.o so figure the math to that out. he servayed a small city. he didnt servay a large one say like LA size population. and he only did it over a 5 year time. that shows that in the 5 years he did his servay and calculating and everything that he faield to calculate in the facters of world population country populations and didnt servay enouh people in a 5 year time to get proper numbers to acuritly calculate out his therum. if he wanted to get his numbers right.

he would of servayed over 500,000 to even 10,000,000 people that would of given him more numbers to work with and given him over all better results IMO o.o

[Atticus Batman]

im guessing that you dont know what IMO stands for. but thats fine. i love it when people feed me facts and over all feed me

in truth even your veiw and " link " are off. if you pay attention to the real gameing world spaning the world. in the us alone the ammount of children playing games is little over 45% of them, this is not proven but this is a statistic that has been flouting around for some time now if you can find it. as for adult gamers if you look at the age that most of us grew up in it is not hard to beleave that we the children of the 90s and 80s are the main group of gamers out there. seeing as we grew up in an age when tech was starting to bloom into something good. most of us started gaming on the old NES and SNES back when thy first game out. and some even sooner then that in arcades and on the atari

ya major throw back there. atari man i feel old sometimes. anyway. its true that there is a large population of adult gamers but at the same time you have to account for ammount of time played in any age range. children below 10 do not game as much as children above 10 and to 18 becuse of there parents controling there habbits better. but the children above 10 play more hours then most adults do becuse thy have more free time then an avarage adult does.

parents are spending time takeing care of there kids and working jobs to pay bills and take care of the household. over all a resposnabul adult gamer unless there some rich kid that got everything from mommy and daddy worbucks then there only gameing a few hours on there days off and spending the rest of the time with there better helf and or children.

but then you have to account for the NEETS and freaks and geeks that have no lifes outside of the 4 walls that is there bed room in there mothers basment or there best friends house. who spend over 8-10 hours gameing aday (( i fall into this catagory sadly )) to truly brake it down.

45% are children under the age of 18 playing for 3-8 hours a day.
15-20% are adults with kids playin 2-5 hours on days off when there not busy doing other things. or playing 1-2 hours a night when there just off work.
another 15-25% is the neets of the world peoiple that have no lifes and play games day in and day out with nothing better to do.
the last % is people that dont game at all.

ALL of this is my own take on the gameing world. it is MY opinion. and how i divers the gameing world out.

but thank you for giveing me something new to read. i was bored today and have nothing to realy do due to heavy lag in the servers. (( think its another Ddos or someone forgot to put the hampster back on its wheel when thy did maintnace on the servers the other day ))

also like to note that he only servayed Over the past 5 years, over 35,000 MMORPG players through online surveys , this means he did not servay EVERY gamer out there so his figures are off by ALOT o.o just so you know. 35k does not make up the worlds population of gamers. thats only about gaaa my math is bad on this but ima say aboutr 10% of the gameing world. it might even be lower then that. so over all his figures are way off chart and are higher then thy realy are. or should be.

Why does nobody ever mention the Magnavox odyssey?! It was my first system and it came before Atari, not by long, but it was still first.

http://gamester81.com/history-of-con...navox-odyssey/

Other than you not mentioning the odyssey, I agree with you, even though I am not sure about the actual statistics either.

[JadedSinn]

Why does nobody ever mention the Magnavox odyssey?! It was my first system and it came before Atari, not by long, but it was still first.

http://gamester81.com/history-of-con...navox-odyssey/

Other than you not mentioning the odyssey, I agree with you, even though I am not sure about the actual statistics either.

well bats thats becuse i wasent born in the 70s lol my mother might remeber it though. i was born in the mid 80s my self. so i had atari, NES, SNES, Famicom, Super famicom, Saga, saga cd , saga satern, dreamcast, gameboy, gameboy color, gameboy advance, N64, playstation, Xbox, gamecube, Ect, lol i grew up with them all,

i still even know the code of doom for konomi muahaha ^ ^ v v < > < > B A B A select start. still works on almost all konome games too o.o even now aday. its become an easter egg in them of sorts hehe.

as for my numbers ya . there hella off i know it. o.o i look at them even now and want to ajust them a little higher then thy are. due to knowing from personal exsperiance just how big the gameing world is.

[Ruinne]

^ ^ v v < > < > B A B A select start.

Ouch.

Right in the memories.

[JadedSinn]

ya it brings back alot of my past times gameing mmmm sweet childhood. when i didnt have to work. didnt have to worry about money and could play all day over at my firends house when i wanted. back when gameing was not about what gear you had buit about how good you where with a D pad man. i remeber the days of 25 cent arcade games. and standing there with a roll of quorters pluging away at a shooter with the foot lever to duck behind cover. or even older. contra. galaga. side scroller top down space shooters. with side to side and forword and backword joystick movements. oh and metal slugs >.< even pinball. lol

man. the age of gameing has changed alot sence back then. i do miss the good old days of old school gameing. when u could play a hole game for 25 cents. and as long as u didnt die. you never had to give up the joysticks

[Chump Norris]

Sounds like something he would say.

That was probably lag. After all, he was writing about Defiance. :P

Thanks you both gave me a good chuckle

[Wilhelm Keitel]

im guessing that you dont know what IMO stands for.

Oh indeed I know what IMO means it means Nothing.
A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Opinion with out any facts to back it is completely irrelevant.
You can spout what you think all you want but until you can back it up it is just noise.

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/gate...ographics.html
http://blog.rjmetrics.com/2009/06/24...r-stereotypes/
http://www.middleeasy.com/gaming/ite...ust-discovered
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2013.pdf

[JadedSinn]

Oh indeed I know what IMO means it means Nothing.
A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Opinion with out any facts to back it is completely irrelevant.
You can spout what you think all you want but until you can back it up it is just noise.

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/gate...ographics.html
http://blog.rjmetrics.com/2009/06/24...r-stereotypes/
http://www.middleeasy.com/gaming/ite...ust-discovered
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2013.pdf

the only problum with the articals your showing . is there not reputabel peoples whos names mean anything in the gameing world to me. and from the looks of most of them there only doing minor %s of population and still have there numbers farly wrong.

but then agine to each there own. you beleave thes peoples theroys but befor thy even started there thorys thy where just words comeing out of someones head onto a screen just as mine are. i base mine off my own time playing games over the past 25 years of my life. fyi im 29. if you payed attention to other posts iv been gameing sence i was 4. iv been gameing with others sence the first text based MUDs appeared IIRC games Text based browser games. multi player linix Text based games. Ect. the people that you keep linking are talking modern MMOS there not going back as far as i am let alone going off there own exsperiances. there going off servays that aim for serten dimagraphics.

servays that younger players will ignore. and not do. servays that anyone under the age of 18 could care less about unless there geting something for it. there also not doing there studys for vary long only one of them did it for more then 5 years and he in the end did not even scratch the serfice of the gameing world. gameing is much wider then just MMOS gameing incumpases ALL games. RP, scifi. fantasy. 2d 3d FPS TPS MMO MMORPG. MMOFPS, single player shooters. single player RPGs. single player sicfies. ECT. the lists go on and on and on. your only showing stuff for a single range of gameing.

stuff also that is outdated. as well. we are in 2014 going into 2015 . there data has changed in the past 2-5 years. and the numbers have gone up as more children reach an age where they can game the gamer world exspands. more and more. and children are also gameing younger and younger. i think the youngest player i gamed beside was an 8 yearold out of russia he happend to be in a rival clan and was one hell of a pro sniper. but i degress.

heres a thought. insted of relying on someone elses data/ideas. come up with your own ideas/data. after all.

" not everything you read on the web is true "

[Wilhelm Keitel]

The fact you have no Idea Who Nick Yee is proves how little you know.

http://eorzeareborn.com/greying-of-the-mm/
http://www.theesa.com/facts/

[JadedSinn]

The fact you have no Idea Who Nick Yee is proves how little you know.

http://eorzeareborn.com/greying-of-the-mm/
http://www.theesa.com/facts/

lol the fact that i dont know who he is, is becuse he has done nothing worth notice in the gameing world that, i my self have cared to take note of.

you seem to think that for some reason not knowing a none note worthy ubesoft employee seems to matter. true the guys got a higher education then most here. but beyond his study of only 40,000 people ever servayed. he has done nothing that i find note worthy at all.

i wouldn't be saprised if a matter of fact not that many people realy know who he is. at all. sure he has been published in the NY times but seeing as i dont read that paper let alone any i probaly would of never seen anything writen by him same with the wall street jernal and a few other high end magazines that not every one in the gameing world let alone someone like me is ever going to read due to it not being realy game realted publishers.

but i do enjoy looking over your links laughing at how there not encompassing more then just the MMORPG genre of gameing and how there also not vary real gameing statistics but small data collection statistics set around the MMORPG genre instead of ALL genres witch is what iv been talking about.

where as i admit my math is off thes people beleave 100% that theres is right when not all of it is. gamers ,like i keep saying are not limited to one dimagraphic of game. one genre. they are not limited to just MMORPGS the numbers are off becuse there only targeting MMORPGS when thy should be incumpasing ALL games and ganras. but hay

" not everything you read on the net is true "

understand. everything your showing everything your posting .started out as an idea inside someones head. something that ment nothing to anyone but them when it was created and brought forth into the world of the net. a simple creation of someone elses mind. just as my own ideas come forth from my own. my data may be lacking in some aspects but over all. im going off real world exsperiances. while your refrancing people and not comeing up with your own ideas and outlooks on your own. witch is all well and good. but im still going to be stuborn and say that there data is flawed.

to keep from violating the COC i had to cut this short here. i had gone on to state along the lines of " come up with your own idea and stop useing other peoples " <== that being the short verson of it. seeing as my wording became a little hmmm drawn out and could of been misconstrun as me being hmmm mean or rude. i desided to cut it down. and finish with this

while you have given data that has been gathered by others. i have given pure thought of my own. ideas and ideals and theoy, that i have lived for over 29 years of life. things i have seen and done and lived though. personal exsperiance in its self. that is data enough for me. and for some others. becuse thy see where i am comeing from with my own data and have lived the same data i have. and seen the same things i have.

to use other peoples data . is well lacking of real ideas and real conviction tords a beleafe it shows yes that you can do research but it is not your words. your thoughts your true idea alone. and i can respect someone that has a brillent mind but i cant respect someone that dosent use it.

i could throw up links and articles and make pie charts and bar graphs and line graphs all showing data that i have found and can research as well. but in the end. it means nothing to me. becuse it was researched. it was someone elses findings. and it ment nothing to me becuse i didnt make it my self or hmmm do it my self. i relyed on someone elses infermation someone elses research and descoverys to create an idea that was never realy my own but someone elses. to begin with. and to me that is. hmmm

depressing. origanality is the steping stone of any real descovery. we would not have the theoy of relativeity if einstein had not come up with it one day. we would not have the understanding of gravity if Isaac Newton had not come up with the idea on his own. all good theorys come from somewhere. a single thought. a simple idea. an apple falling out of a tree onto someones head. (( belave that was disproved but still ))

and that is all i am puting out there. my own theorys. you can keep throwing out other peoples data. other peoples ideas . other peoples theorys. thats fine. it shows ur good at research. and finding things on google. but haveing an origanel idea.

that alone. is something i can respect alot more then i do right now.

no hard feelings. , and this is my last post on this thread. iv derailed it long enough with my own ideals. and theorys