How many times has Trion devalued our items?

[Amack]

Chump, I want you to know I was not referring to you specifically, or anyone else for that matter. I do sympathize with the players who find themselves stuck in this painful lesson, as I said I have been there. I really think that this whole thing stinks and is mostly due to faults in communication on multiple levels. It could have been avoided, it should have been avoided, and I truly hope the company learns a lesson as well.

[Psycroww]

I love how everyone arguing with the people who are upset about this miss the big picture. Trion is literally counter nerfing their past nerf. They NERFED zagger damage making it pointless to use and I swear if I see another person say they are OP, I'm going to (do nothing cause I can't but must be a keyboard warrior) and blow up. So a long time ago they nerfed the damage, and now to compensate no 0 reload, they are doing what? ADDING DAMAGE ROLLS and A EXTRA SHOT MAKING IT THE SAME DAMAGE AS BEFORE. What the **** was the point of nerfing its damage to begin with?! Oh right... Butthurts who don't have a zagger complained.

But wait that's not all, because now that every single weapon in this game will have a 1 second reload minimum, T5 and T4 mods are USLESS (reload mods) when putting them on any single weapon with 1 reload. Oh you want to complete your synergy? Why waste REAL MONEY OR TIME getting a T4 mod when you can slap a t3 mod on it and result in the same reload. Oh right, they didn't think about that.

Everyone arguing this is just arrogant and wants to argue because. No one can provide an answer saying how it's a exploit or a bug. The zagger in general was made to have 4 reload rolls, a reload synergy and a reload mod along with a mastery reload roll. THAT MEANS THE WEAPON WILL DROP BELOW ONE so how is that a exploit when it was made that way.

[adrokier]

But hey... It's their game after all.

I wonder why we don't have sling shots and cross bows. Seems like you would see those in the wasteland.

If u buy a car and its broken (bad example) and the repair its bad u argue the same? Its the car of GM?

I spend money on that Game, sure I know the Code of Conduct, we Gamers have no rights. Support is pretty cool on me no doubt.
Its a great Game and will play it for while...

But the company want us to spend money on that Game, I do ... so they own the Game and I am a Customer, not only a guy who is playing Game which belongs to others ^^

If I pay money for mods (a lot of money) to get a Weapon work ... its not nice to nerf the weapon after ppl where farming for months and paying money to get the weapon and the mods ... sure its their game ...

I just spend holly AF to get the speed boost on that Weapon ... I bought AF for money ...

PPL saying its your fault to spend money on Trion´s Game ... but what wud happen If nobody wud spend money? Wud the Game still be alive?

I like the Jackpot -- makes others without good Weapons a bit calmer... everybody shud have a real real good funny freaky weapon!

Wud be cool to buy full synergy Mod hoard with one Synergy (like QM for Shottys) in Shop for 20Euro or Dollars, what u think how many Gamers wud buy, a lot ppl wud do and it wud be fair (from my point of view) .. instead of buying Mods for hundreds of Dollars and getting BMG and Infector mods or Melee Stocks and so on .. ppl stop buying Mod Hoards, I did stop cos its much toooo expensive...that way.

Yeah its their Game, we have only the task to buy? May be they can play their Game alone?

[adrokier]

Sorry but you must have missed the livestream that encouraged people to spend their time and forge on Zaggers.

http://www.defiancedata.com/page.php?id=198

Please watch the livestream and see how they encouraged us to spend time/forge on Zaggers.

The Stream is dated with 2nd of May! Quite a long time where ppl bought Mods and so on to get the Weapons working ... fyi .. so 5months waiting before they nerf that ...

Still a bunch of Europ Gamers didn't understand 100% whats been said at Livestreams ...

[Bonehead]

Chump, I want you to know I was not referring to you specifically, or anyone else for that matter. I do sympathize with the players who find themselves stuck in this painful lesson, as I said I have been there. I really think that this whole thing stinks and is mostly due to faults in communication on multiple levels. It could have been avoided, it should have been avoided, and I truly hope the company learns a lesson as well.

I hope so too but it's been done so consistently over the past almost 18 months I wonder if it's a lesson anyone over there is interested in learning at all. I kind of think not at this point.
Just gotta keep in mind, it's their game to do with what they will.

[Bonehead]

I've been there, and I learned from my mistake which is why I will never spend money on something in a game unless I know for certain I will not regret it tomorrow when the company goes out of business.

I remember a couple of times when you were fit to be tied. Me too for that matter. It's their game so... whatever. Still I can see how when you love it a certain way, (preparedness for me) and they change it for whatever poorly explained reason, it can sting a bit if you haven't given up any expectation that the game is going to stay the way you like it.
The game is evolving from what it was, into whatever the current team is making it into. They only depend on us for feedback about bugs and function, not creativity. That's the way it's been, thats the way I expect it to remain.
The thing I try to remember is that I have no way to know what is going on inside of the Defiance team's heads and they, I am still sure, are doing the best they can even if it may not look like it. Another thing to remember is they like spinning bedtime yarns a lot more than telling us the read scoop for whatever reason.

It just is what it is...

[drackiller]

You know what? I stoped playing in a daily basis and i also didn`t renew my Patron Pass.

It`s mistakes after mistakes with this game.

[Mr666]

That is a lie chuck before they nerf the SAW they told us about 2 or 3 times on the live stream then at least once in the blog or forums and in more case they give you about a week or more to get ready for changes that are coming. If most people would just read the blog you might learn about these things. I give you a little break that info is not centered in on spot so sometime its hard to know where to look but more of the updates are right there in your face and just take two minutes of reading.

[Psycroww]

That is a lie chuck before they nerf the SAW they told us about 2 or 3 times on the live stream then at least once in the blog or forums and in more case they give you about a week or more to get ready for changes that are coming. If most people would just read the blog you might learn about these things. I give you a little break that info is not centered in on spot so sometime its hard to know where to look but more of the updates are right there in your face and just take two minutes of reading.

I'm not that sure which comment of chumps you are referring to, but I think it is the one where he said "the Creative Lead saying they weren't going to nerf SAWs before they nerfed them? We were told something wouldn't be nerfed and spent forge on it and now we suffer for the lie"
How is telling someone a few weeks before it happens not make it a lie? They did the same thing they are doing with the zagger to the saw except one worse thing, COUNTER NERFING A NERF. They said saws would not get nerfed. What happened? A month before, hey guys just so you know, we are nerfing it. So because they told us they are nerfing it a few eeks before it happens, it doesn't make it a lie? Hmm yeah no that's a lie.

It would also help to [reply with quote] instead of just posting a reply when referring to ones comment.

If most people wouldn't lie, this issue wouldn't even be a thing. If the devs used their brains, they'd realize this isn't a exploit and the gun was made to reach under 1 reload no matter what they say. With this "fix," it makes all t5 and t4 reload mods useless to any weapon that already has 1 second reload like say a needler or something because the minimum is one so a t3 mod will result IN THE SAME OUTCOME. I guess "most people" didn't take two minutes of their time to actually think with this stupid situation to begin with.

Hey guys, ummm nothing is supposed to uh, reach under 1 reload because we have a minimum reload time thing, but ya know, we created weapons that have 1.0 and 1.2 reloads and you can get reload synergies and mods that will put it under 1 but ya know, we won't admit that we didn't think anything through, so we are going to call it a bug and have it a day. Thanks trion, just say because grenades next time. Trust me it'll work better

[Tsort]

(...) Thanks trion, just say because grenades next time. Trust me it'll work better

It probably would. But self-deprecating humor is not their forte either. And after all, why bother addressing the feedback from armchair arkhunters?