How many times has Trion devalued our items?

[Mr666]

I'm not that sure which comment of chumps you are referring to, but I think it is the one where he said "the Creative Lead saying they weren't going to nerf SAWs before they nerfed them? We were told something wouldn't be nerfed and spent forge on it and now we suffer for the lie"
How is telling someone a few weeks before it happens not make it a lie? They did the same thing they are doing with the zagger to the saw except one worse thing, COUNTER NERFING A NERF. They said saws would not get nerfed. What happened? A month before, hey guys just so you know, we are nerfing it. So because they told us they are nerfing it a few eeks before it happens, it doesn't make it a lie? Hmm yeah no that's a lie.

It would also help to [reply with quote] instead of just posting a reply when referring to ones comment.

If most people wouldn't lie, this issue wouldn't even be a thing. If the devs used their brains, they'd realize this isn't a exploit and the gun was made to reach under 1 reload no matter what they say. With this "fix," it makes all t5 and t4 reload mods useless to any weapon that already has 1 second reload like say a needler or something because the minimum is one so a t3 mod will result IN THE SAME OUTCOME. I guess "most people" didn't take two minutes of their time to actually think with this stupid situation to begin with.

Hey guys, ummm nothing is supposed to uh, reach under 1 reload because we have a minimum reload time thing, but ya know, we created weapons that have 1.0 and 1.2 reloads and you can get reload synergies and mods that will put it under 1 but ya know, we won't admit that we didn't think anything through, so we are going to call it a bug and have it a day. Thanks trion, just say because grenades next time. Trust me it'll work better

Hi guy I wasn't talking to but felt the need to think I'm so simple that I don't know how to click a button to reply with quote. They never call the the reload under 1.0 a bug and in fact about two or three months ago(maybe longer) Trick stated that he wouldn't fix the zagger because its be unfair to the people who have it already and that it was in fact Trion's fault for not putting in algorithms to stop something like this from happening. So did Trick lie to us? No, it is a change of heart and a base of ideas of how the game should work and play because you know people sometime change their minds on matters after sometime of thinking about it. At the time he and the team has no plans to make this change but after plans for new content and looking at things maybe they said "**** we have to go back on our word on this this matter or that". I love how game developers can't fu*k up without people calling them lairs or money hungry. Misunderstanding is killing the human race can it not kill are fun in games and with whose make them.

[Chump Norris]

Hi guy I wasn't talking to but felt the need to think I'm so simple that I don't know how to click a button to reply with quote. They never call the the reload under 1.0 a bug and in fact about two or three months ago(maybe longer) Trick stated that he wouldn't fix the zagger because its be unfair to the people who have it already and that it was in fact Trion's fault for not putting in algorithms to stop something like this from happening. So did Trick lie to us? No, it is a change of heart and a base of ideas of how the game should work and play because you know people sometime change their minds on matters after sometime of thinking about it. At the time he and the team has no plans to make this change but after plans for new content and looking at things maybe they said "**** we have to go back on our word on this this matter or that". I love how game developers can't fu*k up without people calling them lairs or money hungry. Misunderstanding is killing the human race can it not kill are fun in games and with whose make them.

So in your world you can't lie so long as you have a change of heart? He is a liar because he stated they would not be changing it. I and many other wouldn't have bothered "chasing" perfect Zaggers if we weren't told they wouldn't be changed. I stayed away from the Zaggers for a long time because I thought they would be fixed but our glorious creative lead said they wouldn't be and I took him at his word.

[Mr666]

So in your world you can't lie so long as you have a change of heart? He is a liar because he stated they would not be changing it. I and many other wouldn't have bothered "chasing" perfect Zaggers if we weren't told they wouldn't be changed. I stayed away from the Zaggers for a long time because I thought they would be fixed but our glorious creative lead said they wouldn't be and I took him at his word.

It was a broken gun from the start so you should of automatically thought it would be fixed to bring in line with weapons of its kind or weapons in general. In the start of the game I starting using FRC SAW and it was god there was no weapon that could out do it. I was soloing everything with easy and I knew that when balancing or nerfs as you people like to call it started to come that it would be first on the list. I think they fail is on both sides here because Trion does have a hard time thinking ahead when adding updates and what way they want the game to go but also players should know that a game like this is ever changing. So don't put all your money red and cry when you lost it.

[Psycroww]

Hi guy I wasn't talking to but felt the need to think I'm so simple that I don't know how to click a button to reply with quote. They never call the the reload under 1.0 a bug and in fact about two or three months ago(maybe longer) Trick stated that he wouldn't fix the zagger because its be unfair to the people who have it already and that it was in fact Trion's fault for not putting in algorithms to stop something like this from happening. So did Trick lie to us? No, it is a change of heart and a base of ideas of how the game should work and play because you know people sometime change their minds on matters after sometime of thinking about it. At the time he and the team has no plans to make this change but after plans for new content and looking at things maybe they said "**** we have to go back on our word on this this matter or that". I love how game developers can't fu*k up without people calling them lairs or money hungry. Misunderstanding is killing the human race can it not kill are fun in games and with whose make them.

Lol just thought I'd give you a tip, never called you or thought you were simple so that assumption is all on you.
You say they never called it a bug yet their exact words are "And you would be right to ask! There’s a long-standing bug that allowed guns to be reloaded instantly if you modded it to be exactly a 0 second reload time. " take your time to carefully read that and you'll see the bug comment, I won't bold it for you so you won't think I'm calling you simple.
As for your comment on trick, that's not what he said word for word. Since you aren't simple I won't provide you with the link right to it and you can go find it yourself. What makes them liars is when they lie repeatedly and they are money hungry because if they weren't, they would give us some arkforge and mod hoards to compensate for their ******** "misunderstanding"

[Psycroww]

It was a broken gun from the start so you should of automatically thought it would be fixed to bring in line with weapons of its kind or weapons in general. In the start of the game I starting using FRC SAW and it was god there was no weapon that could out do it. I was soloing everything with easy and I knew that when balancing or nerfs as you people like to call it started to come that it would be first on the list. I think they fail is on both sides here because Trion does have a hard time thinking ahead when adding updates and what way they want the game to go but also players should know that a game like this is ever changing. So don't put all your money red and cry when you lost it.

You're right, it was a broken gun TO BEGIN WITH, Then they nerfed the damage making it terrible. Explain the counter nerf of that nerf that they are doing now? Cause I'd like to hear what you think since 4 devs can't tell me how that makes any sense. They nerf the thing cause people complain, now they add damage to it because people complain. You can only defend a company so long until you have enough.

[edispilfnairb]

Here is the plain, and simple truth. Trion is a business and without cash flow they would go out of business. That means no game for us, period.

Trion's product is virtual, not physical. So to have customers buy their Virtual product their has to be faith that the probuct will no be altered beyond the customers satisfaction in the future. The Zagger and other zero reload load weapons were a Huge attraction for Trion. People spent alot of money chasing the Zagger( buying DLC, Arkforge, Mod boxes ETC).

Most people did this because one of Trions head guy stated they would not be changed, Period. There was no maybe's in his statement.

Now Trion is in a pickle. If they go through with this third nerf (Change) people will never again invest in their virtual goods.
Why??? Because the core of what they enjoyed about the the item is no longer there.

Customer satisfaction Trion, rule number one in any thriving business, ecspecialy this virtual stuff that is a get away from the stress of real life. Your items you are selling are for entertainment and enjoyment. When the trust, entertainment, customer satisfaction is gone all you will have left is F2P and a empty wallet.

Either do not go through with this nerf, or do the right thing and return everyones thosands of Arkforge and bits. Lets face it, your creative lead mislead the entire community at large with his statement. That breaks faith in your product and directly effects your net income in the long run.

This is by no means an attack on the creative lead, just a statement of truth from a 20 year business manager who has invested almost $3700 in your product. I am a Trion customer, and these reasons above are why I opened my wallet, and what will prevent me and others, from opening said wallet again.

[edispilfnairb]

One other fact to keep in mind here. Since day one weapons have been able to reach reloads of less then 1 second. So, the reasoning they have for this change is not sound. I had a prepatch Nano fragger that was .7 reload as well as other guns.

There has never been a system check in place to make guns take 1 second to reload as was stated. That is just another misleading statement.

[DEATHBRINGER210]

Here is the plain, and simple truth. Trion is a business and without cash flow they would go out of business. That means no game for us, period.

Trion's product is virtual, not physical. So to have customers buy their Virtual product their has to be faith that the probuct will no be altered beyond the customers satisfaction in the future. The Zagger and other zero reload load weapons were a Huge attraction for Trion. People spent alot of money chasing the Zagger( buying DLC, Arkforge, Mod boxes ETC).

Most people did this because one of Trions head guy stated they would not be changed, Period. There was no maybe's in his statement.

Now Trion is in a pickle. If they go through with this third nerf (Change) people will never again invest in their virtual goods.
Why??? Because the core of what they enjoyed about the the item is no longer there.

Customer satisfaction Trion, rule number one in any thriving business, ecspecialy this virtual stuff that is a get away from the stress of real life. Your items you are selling are for entertainment and enjoyment. When the trust, entertainment, customer satisfaction is gone all you will have left is F2P and a empty wallet.

Either do not go through with this nerf, or do the right thing and return everyones thosands of Arkforge and bits. Lets face it, your creative lead mislead the entire community at large with his statement. That breaks faith in your product and directly effects your net income in the long run.

This is by no means an attack on the creative lead, just a statement of truth from a 20 year business manager who has invested almost $3700 in your product. I am a Trion customer, and these reasons above are why I opened my wallet, and what will prevent me and others, from opening said wallet again.

i would also like a refund for the all forge i wasted on 10 zaggers , thats alot forge wasted

[DSW]

speaking of grenades -

I still miss my 55z's and 55w's, though.

i joined the game back in aug'13 but haven't figured any differences between most of nades of same effect except for det time. maybe there actually was something useful in old system, but i think it was way beyond understanding for many.

[Bonehead]

If they go through with this third nerf (Change) people will never again invest in their virtual goods.

You make good points but there is no "if". This is how they manage their game. After the most hideous bugs are dealt with on the PTS, the new content with all the planed changes will go live.
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