How many times has Trion devalued our items?

[Psycroww]

Well, IMO after this, polish, tune up re-customisation of yet another perk should convince whats left of the player base to spend up big and stay around. I have played this game since day one and my hope for this game is akin to sand through the fingers now.

I'm yet to really see any implementation of players wants in all of that time. The original devs left the current bunch a monstrosity to fix. But instead of fixing client issues and making the game gell as a whole, they seemingly have no foci.

One dev is changing rolls on weapons whilst some other part of defiance team are creating weapons that shouldn't be released. Will another part is introducing pay to win elements into the bit store and not creating an access point from within the game.

Then seemingly (again entirely my opinion) the company as a whole appears to have dropped support or a want for the product to be a long term success and instead are concentrating on things like trove and archage (yes I can see the denials coming) but with the emails you receive etc how can you spin it any other way, when all it is, is just spin.

The beautiful diamond in the rough the was.... WAS defiance is being polished by someone with a sledgehammer that has no willingness to concede on some points or accept they are doing things, that may not be considered wrong, but against what the vast majority want, not just the vocal minority on the forums.

Some highlights for me have been:

Grenades (took many many many..... hours to get a legendary and then ruined it with the current system) just because?
Taking an absolute age to fix broken side missions?
DLC's - need I really comment about warmaster or others

It seems like everytime I hunt and hunt (you know, the longer more fulfilling chase etc) for something and then finally get it, it's nerfed.

I feel burnt out with this, there is no create with this game, no blossoming of well crafted idea's and direction. It seems the only flair is in the way to frustrate and alienate the player base, or the ability to zero in on the things people enjoy about the game and take them away, reduce the rewards to nothing or repack it and call it a DLC.

Are you trying to make an american game that is world renowned for being a grindfest? You want to be able to say "we are not reducing the rewards", but you cannot say " we are taking away the tools for you to get rewards"

To "The Company" This post IMO is both constructive and needed!!! You need to take this criticism, read it, take a step back and assess the direction the game has taken since release. Assess the changes in player numbers alongside dlc releases and the gameplay mechanic changes you have made and see whether it was all worth it. Assess the way idea's are processed and implemented into the game. Think about if you hadn't taken all these things away from the players whether the numbers would have plummeted to the extent they have?

The transmutation of the diamond to rock salt is almost complete.

Send this to any and all devs you see, make this a thread on its own, comment it on every dev post. Make sure SOMEONE from the company reads it, because it is one of the best things I've ever read on these forums. It is so accurate.

[Mr666]

Lol just thought I'd give you a tip, never called you or thought you were simple so that assumption is all on you.
You say they never called it a bug yet their exact words are "And you would be right to ask! There’s a long-standing bug that allowed guns to be reloaded instantly if you modded it to be exactly a 0 second reload time. " take your time to carefully read that and you'll see the bug comment, I won't bold it for you so you won't think I'm calling you simple.
As for your comment on trick, that's not what he said word for word. Since you aren't simple I won't provide you with the link right to it and you can go find it yourself. What makes them liars is when they lie repeatedly and they are money hungry because if they weren't, they would give us some arkforge and mod hoards to compensate for their ******** "misunderstanding"

He called the zagger a bug not reload over all a bug. I know say he is right because I have used a other saw-off I believe FRC and made it have 0.0 reload yet is still was not as fast the zagger. I don't think the mess up here so I don't see the need for them to give us anything and I believe the misunderstanding is on the player part. You think you know what the DEVs are saying but they use in-house words all the time and change then when speaking to the public yet sometime still use the in-house because that what they use everyday. I named chuck in the post if I cared to quote the man I would have but felt is was unneeded due to the fact it was my one and only post at the time.

[Mr666]

You're right, it was a broken gun TO BEGIN WITH, Then they nerfed the damage making it terrible. Explain the counter nerf of that nerf that they are doing now? Cause I'd like to hear what you think since 4 devs can't tell me how that makes any sense. They nerf the thing cause people complain, now they add damage to it because people complain. You can only defend a company so long until you have enough.

This is was you fail because I'm not defending anyone here but a point. That a person is allowed to mess up so don't dehumanize them just because you willing give them money. That fact that they nerf or balance is to find a fix to a problem..... which you asked for...... so are you complain? Would like them to stop trying because then you cant ask for anymore free stuff cause there wouldn't be anymore mess ups to fix. I asking for a little understanding is all or not to jump the gun and call demon every time they mess up or which I can agree is more often then not. Be more helpful join the PTS server and get everyone on the same page on matters like this.

[Psycroww]

He called the zagger a bug not reload over all a bug. I know say he is right because I have used a other saw-off I believe FRC and made it have 0.0 reload yet is still was not as fast the zagger. I don't think the mess up here so I don't see the need for them to give us anything and I believe the misunderstanding is on the player part. You think you know what the DEVs are saying but they use in-house words all the time and change then when speaking to the public yet sometime still use the in-house because that what they use everyday. I named chuck in the post if I cared to quote the man I would have but felt is was unneeded due to the fact it was my one and only post at the time.

Sigh, you are wrong. First it's not a he, it is the article. And the article does not refer to the zagger, the exact sentence is "There’s a long-standing bug that allowed guns to be reloaded instantly if you modded it to be exactly a 0 second reload time. "" and since the zagger is a individual weapon, then it is referring to every gun able to reach 0 reload. The issue they are saying is guns aren't meant to reach under 1 in GENERAL. You failed to miss that point by saying your 0 reload wasn't as fast as the zagger. The issue is not the zagger to begin with. It's the fact that weapons can reach under 1. They made multiple weapons that reach under 1 on their own doing. It's not a bug, it's not a exploit, it was made to be under 1. There is no argument, anything they say against that is an excuse. first of all the quote they gave doesn't make sense to begin with. If it is 0 reload, then it should be instant. How do you animate 0 seconds? You don't. It just instantly does it. So for them to say it is confusing. It's not my fault they fail.

[Psycroww]

This is was you fail because I'm not defending anyone here but a point. That a person is allowed to mess up so don't dehumanize them just because you willing give them money. That fact that they nerf or balance is to find a fix to a problem..... which you asked for...... so are you complain? Would like them to stop trying because then you cant ask for anymore free stuff cause there wouldn't be anymore mess ups to fix. I asking for a little understanding is all or not to jump the gun and call demon every time they mess up or which I can agree is more often then not. Be more helpful join the PTS server and get everyone on the same page on matters like this.

Are you really saying that is where I fail? First of all your word choice is terrible in attempting to explain your point, me joining or not joining the PTS won't do anything. At the end of the day, what it comes down to is it is their game, not mine. It's almost like the president, he gets help (us on pts) and they (us) will give either bad or strong points, but ultimately it will be his(trion) final choice to make the changes or whatever it is they agree on. Its not like I'm the only person on defiance who doesn't agree with it, multiple and I mean the vast majority of people see this new update, fix, nerf, boost whatever the hell you want to call it, ridiculous and stupid. It really is if you think about it. Weapons should be able to reach under 1, saying they shouldn't sosunters them making weapons be able to reach under 1 to begin with. If they knew this was a issue, they never would have made guns drop with 0.8 reload or 1.0 reload and have reload synergies and mods. This game for the past year has not only fired/got rid off the original team, but has shown a lack of care towards their community. (Customer service, terrible updates, the list goes on and on.) no matter what you or I or anyone else says, this game has already reached its downfall. Whatever choices they try to make will either keep people playing, get a few more new people, or make the majority of vets leave and the game will fail. Making more useless things like this are going to lead to that.

[Thal]

multiple and I mean the vast majority of people see this new update, fix, nerf, boost whatever the hell you want to call it, ridiculous and stupid.

And where do you base this premises from? A Hypothetical guess? a Poll? a head count? Gallup? things get nerfed all the time some you'll like some you won't but that does not mean everyone or even a majority will agree with you.

[Psycroww]

And where do you base this premises from? A Hypothetical guess? a Poll? a head count? Gallup? things get nerfed all the time some you'll like some you won't but that does not mean everyone or even a majority will agree with you.

I base this off of being in a clan with 200+ active members, and when I brought it up to the people who don't go on the forums, every single one of them said it was a bad idea. Not a single person said oh I like that or oh that's good or oh that has a good point or anything. Along with every officer and veteran in the clan agreeing. You know like Altra, someone who does more to the community then some of the support team and devs actually do.

When I put it in zone chat, I got instant whispers asking what I was talking about, I even had people reply in zone chat, again, no one said it was good in any way and resulted in either being angry or annoyed.

Now if you go off of here and the forums, the devs can't even offer a legit reason, (I messaged over 5 devs and not one could give me a good answer.)

This post was made 3 days ago and is just about to hit 2.5k views, meaning a lot of people view it and it has the most views since 10-10-14 posts. In the news and announcements, it as well is one of the most viewed and commented posts. The news and announcements has 15 pages of comments, just as many as ones from 7-14-14

Or you can use common sense and actually think about this update and realize it is a terrible update to begin with.

Guess what they said about a counter nerf of them nerfing the damage in the past?- Nothing.
Guess what they said about the lie?- Nothing.
Guess what they said about compensating to the people who lost a large amount of currency/money/time? ----Nothing.
Guess what they ACTUALLY DID SAY. "The "nerf" you're referring to is closing the 0 reload bug which affects any gun that can get to 0 reload, not just the Zagger. The Zagger itself is actually getting a decent boost with the patch." But then the article says it has to do with all weapons that reach under 1 reload as well being fixed.
How is that good? It's not. It is applied to a (zagger- a pointless shotgun hardly anyone uses to begin with BECAUSE it was nerfed in the past. Keep in mind hardly anyone has the corect one because drop rates are very low.) variety of shotguns that not many people have or are OP with.

What does this do? It ruins t5 and t4 reload mods to put on weapons that already have a 1.0 or 1.2 reload
It ruins a ton of guns that you have modded under 1 because now they have to make EVERY gun reach 1 second which will have its issues to begin with, it will replace multiple 0 reload weapon rolls and other things, it is going to make people, really and actually, complain against zaggers because they are counter nerfing and giving it damage BACK, and now giving it A EXTRA SHOT. Yeah because that is really good right? No.

So not talking about the 0 reload and the zagger and all of that, how about making another perk useless. Oh right no comment on that either. I think you get the point. This doesn't fix anything, it only adds more problems that they will have to "fix" They say weapons can be modded to reach under 1 reload yet, I killed the WM last night, got a volge breacher and guesssssssssssssssss what. 0.8 reload unmodded, un everything in my inventory. So yeah I already said it 500 times so I won't say again how that means their system is flawled when it was created and didn't become flawed because we "modded it" or exploited it. If it gets to 0 reload, it is because they made it that way.

[Mr666]

majority!?!...... I see the same 100(if that really) people come on here and yell and shout about how they are the majority. I have 70 members clan that I run with on Xbox 360 NA and I know about 6 other clans that add up to about 250 members. Now where are all there people that are the majority? They are playing the game that is where the majority. You guys here are just the biggest voices screaming in to space and you are just a small minority.

[Psycroww]

majority!?!...... I see the same 100(if that really) people come on here and yell and shout about how they are the majority. I have 70 members clan that I run with on Xbox 360 NA and I know about 6 other clans that add up to about 250 members. Now where are all there people that are the majority? They are playing the game that is where the majority. You guys here are just the biggest voices screaming in to space and you are just a small minority.

My clan has 900 members in it. You were saying? Next time read the whole post before being sidetracked on one word (majority) and go on a useless rant.

[satirized]

A lot. Countless times. The whole jackpot system devalued a lot of items.

However, when something gets devalued, something else rise in value.

Eg, old school +8 mag courier worth a lot more then they should.

Eg, zaggers gets nerfed. t4 rapidshot pod price and zagger price drop. Breacher/fragger etc price rise.
Syphon gets nerfed, rad value increase.

Then again, sometimes, when something gets nerfed, its value increases for some weird reason.

Aka, score farming and bio. I seriously question the sanity of some of people who wants bio SMGs nowadays. It no longer is worth your time to score farm.