To the people who say, 'Oh it's just day 4, give them time to iron the bugs out'

[Zyrlux]

1) A lot of the people complaining on this forum are experiencing issues like me. ZERO NPCs are spawning, Randomly being killed by enemies that are spawning but not appearing anywhere on the screen (Such as in Ark Falls, btw, the Ark fall appears on the map, but not spatially. Enemies will still kill you. Over. And over.) Stuck on a story quest WAAAAY early on because you can't beat a quest with nothing spawning. Asking us to 'enjoy the game while they iron out the bugs' is literally like telling us, 'Look at the awesome map design burn into your plasma screen as you jerk it because that's about all your going to be able to do until there is a fix.'
...On day FOOOOOOOUUUUUUURRRRR

2) I get that it's an MMO. I've been playing MMOs for the better part of 10 years now. I've beta tested for a few even. Never have I seen an MMO go gold with such horrific bugs still in the game. Beta tests exist for a reason. It's for quality assurance. It's to cover issues like server capacity and functionality and to find bugs like NPCs not spawning. It's not suppose to be a month long process. It's suppose to take as long as it needs to ensure everything is covered. They should have done a open beta if only for a week to test server capacity and even at that point, there should have been enough time from closed betas to reach the final product code. A in house quality assurance team should pre test sample product registration codes and log on and play for about an hour to make sure there won't be issues with that, including obtaining preorder content and other things. The final product code should have been ready a week before it's release. Xbox was playing old product code a week ago. Like all it was was a tease for xbox players since they complained so much about not being able to play after it was beta released for PS3. There was no point in calling it a beta test or even making it closed.

3) After all is said and done, yes, the game is still there. The possibility is still solid. However, the frustrations of several people are understandable. I bought the UC because I truly enjoyed the beta and expected a lot of this stuff to be covered when I got it. I couldn't even play due to patching issues until day 3. I can play now but only in an empty world where my quests won't proceed. So why am I to be expected to 'Simmer down' and 'Enjoy the game' when the game feels like it's still being alpha tested for movement bugs when I'm logged in?

These are the big issues that we are currently faced with, and it comes down to either vent on the forum and apply pressure to the company to fix these changes or demand refunds for a product that isn't delivering what we were promised.

[Jeronan]

You got these "White Knights" on every game forum sadly.

First day(s) impression is what matters. If they are bad, the game won't end up well and will start losing players rapidly and dissapearing into the void of silence.

- No working chat system
- 3 days after launch still no loot from Arkfalls
- Server crash (ok can happen no problem) with severe rollback! (and not even admitting nor communicating it.... NOT OK!)

These are just some of the issues that can litterly kill this game early on. /sigh

[I FibreOptic I]

Agreed mate! also Ofc but you will always get these people who tell you "****" and you don't have any reason to vent on here...when you do because Trion will read what you have said right there and add you to the list of people wanting the game to be fixed....which is good pressure and works. If everyone didn't complain the fixes would likely take longer, or other issues wouldn't not come across there knowledge. Forums are an essential feedback tool.

[GongStar]

Yup, the White-Knight'ing is strong in these parts.
There is always a crowd for any game no matter how good or bad it is.
I'm neutral towards Defiance, it's not a good game but it's not bad.
Thing is, you know when a game doesn't have mass appeal.
I played APB and said already in alpha that it was ****... nothing changed, beta was on and and the game actually released the same way it was during development.
Anyone that was not a fanboy could have predicted APB was gonna do badly.
I simply had and have the same feeling again, this game isn't going to attract that many people and will not be able to hook them.
I might be wrong but if I was the boss and they showed me this game I'd facepalm.

[Zyrlux]

You got these "White Knights" on every game forum sadly.

First day(s) impression is what matters. If they are bad, the game won't end up well and will start losing players rapidly and dissapearing into the void of silence.

- No working chat system
- 3 days after launch still no loot from Arkfalls
- Server crash (ok can happen no problem) with severe rollback! (and not even admitting nor communicating it.... NOT OK!)

These are just some of the issues that can litterly kill this game early on. /sigh

I can't tell if you are arguing with me or siding with me... The first sentence throws me off because I'm not siding with Trion. I think they should have done a little more testing to ensure all is good.

[Jeronan]

I can't tell if you are arguing with me or siding with me... The first sentence throws me off because I'm not siding with Trion. I think they should have done a little more testing to ensure all is good.

?? Are you serious ?? never heard of the Expression "White Knights" ? Ofcourse I am siding with you. /shrug

[DeadCow]

1) A lot of the people complaining on this forum are experiencing issues like me. ZERO NPCs are spawning, Randomly being killed by enemies that are spawning but not appearing anywhere on the screen (Such as in Ark Falls, btw, the Ark fall appears on the map, but not spatially. Enemies will still kill you. Over. And over.) Stuck on a story quest WAAAAY early on because you can't beat a quest with nothing spawning. Asking us to 'enjoy the game while they iron out the bugs' is literally like telling us, 'Look at the awesome map design burn into your plasma screen as you jerk it because that's about all your going to be able to do until there is a fix.'
...On day FOOOOOOOUUUUUUURRRRR

2) I get that it's an MMO. I've been playing MMOs for the better part of 10 years now. I've beta tested for a few even. Never have I seen an MMO go gold with such horrific bugs still in the game. Beta tests exist for a reason. It's for quality assurance. It's to cover issues like server capacity and functionality and to find bugs like NPCs not spawning. It's not suppose to be a month long process. It's suppose to take as long as it needs to ensure everything is covered. They should have done a open beta if only for a week to test server capacity and even at that point, there should have been enough time from closed betas to reach the final product code. A in house quality assurance team should pre test sample product registration codes and log on and play for about an hour to make sure there won't be issues with that, including obtaining preorder content and other things. The final product code should have been ready a week before it's release. Xbox was playing old product code a week ago. Like all it was was a tease for xbox players since they complained so much about not being able to play after it was beta released for PS3. There was no point in calling it a beta test or even making it closed.

3) After all is said and done, yes, the game is still there. The possibility is still solid. However, the frustrations of several people are understandable. I bought the UC because I truly enjoyed the beta and expected a lot of this stuff to be covered when I got it. I couldn't even play due to patching issues until day 3. I can play now but only in an empty world where my quests won't proceed. So why am I to be expected to 'Simmer down' and 'Enjoy the game' when the game feels like it's still being alpha tested for movement bugs when I'm logged in?

These are the big issues that we are currently faced with, and it comes down to either vent on the forum and apply pressure to the company to fix these changes or demand refunds for a product that isn't delivering what we were promised.

I feel your pain. I to have been understanding and I am trying to remain so, but come on Trion this is getting old real fast. I supported this game, I pre ordered it and even talked a few friends into pre-ordering it (which I am currently receiving no small amount of grief over from said friends) I don't believe it is too much to ask to be able to play a game which was bought and paid for on the release day. Wtf happened to QA in the development of this game. The ten min that I have been able to play with others on the server in the past few days have been fun. Unfortunately I spent the majority of my time in game I the limbo described above.

[cfStatic]

Rather than let them iron them out, give them time to actually roll out the fixes. Some(not all) of the things that people are having issues with have already been patched out during the alpha, but I'm sure it still has to go through QA and etc before it can hit the live environment.

You can help the process along with new bugs by going into settings(Esc -> Space -> Settings -> Keys tab -> Submit Feedback -> click on feedback in the box and select bug report). This sends them a bunch of information including whatever it is you type in the box. TRION is great at squashing bugs underfoot(anyone who played RIFT at launch should understand).

Also, I love when people say that they've been playing MMOs for X number of years, and then saying something that should be a given for new MMOs to experience. I have not been through one launch in that same period of time where a game didn't have server issues on day one, regardless of how much testing they did before hand. If the servers aren't imploding on launch day, then I'm concerned because, typically, it means that not that many people are playing.

inb4 I'm called a white knight because angry people are angry and will lash out at anyone who doesn't share their opinion on the matter.

[Darkane]

Why not stop being a cry baby and give people some time to work things out. People want something new and non generic, yet they can't give the company trying something new a few days to work things out? Grow up.

The sooner these trolls move on... The better.

[Elandriel]

Why not stop being a cry baby and give people some time to work things out. People want something new and non generic, yet they can't give the company trying something new a few days to work things out? Grow up.

The sooner these trolls move on... The better.

The trolls won't move for some time as they paid the game same as you. Why? Because trolls like to see that they get their money's worth of gaming, which apparently they think is not the case. And in some cases it truly isn't.
Which also means that each thread such as this is more appropriate to this game and it's future than your (or mine for that matter) nonconstructive and utterly personal response.