A False Sense Of Entitlement

[AmishWarMachine]

...it's nearly unplayable, between getting booted offline and having enemies not spawning, quest interaction items not spawning and being killed by enemies through terrain. Combined with the horrible servers which boot you off for any reason at all.

You have a horrible bubbling cauldron of fail. They can fix the issues, it's just the matter of when they'll fix the issues. Also I'm pretty sure I have far more MMO experience than you'll ever have, thanks for trying though.

What do you say then, to those that are having none of these issues

I've been booted once, for an announced server downtime.
I've never had an enemy not spawn that was supposed to.
I've never had a quest interaction item unavailable to interact with
I've never been killed through terrain.

I've had exactly one issue in my ~8 hours of gameplay: The quest in which you find Von Bach's pod and then have to set scanners... locked up on (re)load. I think this issues was born of the fact that a group of others had JUST cleared out the enemies that spawn when you get that big truck, and the server must have a cool-down between instances of that event.

[JagerMyk]

Calling BS here. EQ, FF11, and AO all had significant issues at release. "WOW....... none of those games had issues I'm seeing with this game". umm those of us who were actually playing from the first release know that Orge wasnt there...seriously? you dont remember how much QQing an non helpful critique players whined about the patches, updates, whatever you want to call them, they...hell even SWtOR had issues...so ask yourselves "YUMB?" an go post it in or on Trion Worlds Account Services. Gods I hope there is such a thing as forum farmers to kick all the destructive/neg. QQing Trolls. Yes I know frustration, but does it make me belittle or become a dbag to others on a forum? Orge actually put something up thats true:"Go outside, breath in some fresh air, it'll help your lungs."

[Azuresky]

aww isn't that cute, you called me a troll. It's ok, you're types are pretty funny, the ones who brownnose because they think the company will stop developing for the game if the consumers are unhappy. Here goes an idea.... they won't.... Go outside, breath in some fresh air, it'll help your lungs.

Hehehe I do not have any allegiance to TRION or ANY developer actually. I just have issues with TROLLS who complain about stuff rather then be proactive in getting something fixed. If ALL these people that are having issues got together in a thread they could probably figure out what things they had in common and if there is a work around until Trion can get something permanent in there. One time at launch a bunch of us realized that we all had Comcast ISP in the same region. We contacted Comcast and there was some repair or something going on that was messing with the connection at the same time of launch. Another time it was those of us using Linksys routers, just had to have the right ports open.

Also, I am pretty sure the people that have worked the most on the game aren't reading the forums, I could wager to guess they are working on the game and trying to make it more stable and playable for everyone. I will probably move on to a different game when one comes around. I just REALLY like the FPS aspect of this game and that it ties in with a SYFY show! Hell ya I'm going to give that a try!

I'm ok with being a "FANBOY" as long as it doesn't make me a "Troll". hehe

[LifeOnFire]

Calling BS here. EQ, FF11, and AO all had significant issues at release. "WOW....... none of those games had issues I'm seeing with this game". umm those of us who were actually playing from the first release know that Orge wasnt there...seriously? you dont remember how much QQing an non helpful critique players whined about the patches, updates, whatever you want to call them, they...hell even SWtOR had issues...so ask yourselves "YUMB?" an go post it in or on Trion Worlds Account Services. Gods I hope there is such a thing as forum farmers to kick all the destructive/neg. QQing Trolls. Yes I know frustration, but does it make me belittle or become a dbag to others on a forum? Orge actually put something up thats true:"Go outside, breath in some fresh air, it'll help your lungs."

im not entirely sure who that was aimed at sir.

[Azuresky]

im not entirely sure who that was aimed at sir.

It was aimed at the "Shtako Troll" Ogre whatever his name is. Seems to be fitting to be named ogre.

Did you know there are actually groups of people now that will create logins for forums, groupie, facebook etc... that will get together and purposefully incite negativity and unrest on some social media platform? Taking greifing to a WHOLE new level I think. Or maybe they have been around for awhile and there are just way more of them? I think the "ogre" login is one of those. He's not even speaking truth at all.

[Froggyman]

I'm sorry, but any time you put money down on a product, be it a game or otherwise, you want it to work as intended. If your juicer you just bought didn't juice, you would not be happy if they told you that you'd have to wait an unspecified amount of time to have someone come fix it, you would go to the store, and ask to exchange it, or have them fix it there, so you can drink some fresh juice. That's why you bought it, because you wanted it to work.

It is not entitled behavior to buy something, and expect what you pay for. The reason we have companies like the BBB (better business bureau in the first place is to protect people from all types of fraud. Now, I'm not saying Trion is fraudulent. Most people understand they are clearly trying their best. They WANT people in the game, being happy, possibly spending some bits, and getting their money's worth, so they will be happy, and possibly buy more bits.

It's a business. Of course they want money. But they KNOW in order to do that, they have to make people happy. And some people just aren't happy with a broken product. And NO ONE should be arguing that the game is not currently broken for some folks. My patcher JUST broke on me, I can't play now either, but before today I was rolling pretty. That doesn't mean I don't have a right to be upset now, because the game doesn't work. Of course I do, I paid for it, I gave them EXTRA money I didn't have to give them, because I love the game. Some people have spent hundreds of dollars on this product, they WANT it to work.

Being able to see things from both sides helps when you want to talk about entitlement, and poor behavior. There are uncool things happening on both sides gentlemen.

[LifeOnFire]

i understand they paid their money and they want it to work, but perpetual moaning about it isnt going to help, especially when trion are already working to fix it. it just doesnt seem right when there are people on all consoles and pc who are able to play and enjoy the game, for others to go around bashing everyone else and trion. That was a good contribution and i appreciate it, its nice to see someone with some god damn manners.

[JBo796]

Just as bugs and bumps are part of releasing an mmo, so is people being upset at purchasing a product that isnt properly working on release day. If they can take our money on release day, then why cant the product work on release day? If people have to deal with bugs, the devs have to deal with complaints. Speaking of which, you should be thanking these 'whiners'. The devs wouldnt know what needed to be fixed without them. See...silver lining :-D

[AmishWarMachine]

I'm sorry, but any time you put money down on a product, be it a game or otherwise, you want it to work as intended. If your juicer you just bought didn't juice, you would not be happy if they told you that you'd have to wait an unspecified amount of time to have someone come fix it, you would go to the store, and ask to exchange it, or have them fix it there, so you can drink some fresh juice. That's why you bought it, because you wanted it to work.

It is not entitled behavior to buy something, and expect what you pay for. The reason we have companies like the BBB (better business bureau in the first place is to protect people from all types of fraud. Now, I'm not saying Trion is fraudulent. Most people understand they are clearly trying their best. They WANT people in the game, being happy, possibly spending some bits, and getting their money's worth, so they will be happy, and possibly buy more bits.

It's a business. Of course they want money. But they KNOW in order to do that, they have to make people happy. And some people just aren't happy with a broken product. And NO ONE should be arguing that the game is not currently broken for some folks. My patcher JUST broke on me, I can't play now either, but before today I was rolling pretty. That doesn't mean I don't have a right to be upset now, because the game doesn't work. Of course I do, I paid for it, I gave them EXTRA money I didn't have to give them, because I love the game. Some people have spent hundreds of dollars on this product, they WANT it to work.

Being able to see things from both sides helps when you want to talk about entitlement, and poor behavior. There are uncool things happening on both sides gentlemen.

Incoming random stream of thoughts:

While I understand the point there's a pretty significant difference between a juicer and an MMO. In any physical product you buy, there are a finite number of things that can go wrong, as there are a finite number of mechanical parts to it.

In software, the number of things that can go wrong, start approaching ∞. Especially on the PC scene where no two PCs are alike.

I like to imagine myself somewhere in between the two "types" of people mentioned earlier. I've seen bugs in MMOs before. They can be annoying, they can be frustrating, they can be crippling to the gameplay. They usually get fixed in pretty short order if they're the crippling variety, especially if the developer is given good information in order to problem solve the issue.

Inciting a riot with "this game sux0rz" isn't going to get anything solved. Neither will sitting complacently amongst discovered/known bugs.

For whatever reason, people tend not to be very constructive when a bug has them frustrated.

I don't think Ogre is dishonest in saying he's having issues with the game. But I'm having none.

The trick is finding what in Ogre's gaming environment is causing him to have said issues, and what in my gaming environment is keeping them from me.


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[Azuresky]

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