Why do people hate BMG and Crimefighter?

[Darq]

Please tell me why. I always have a BMG as my second weapon. When I see someone who's low on health I use my BMG to give them a quick boost then I'm back on my primary.People seem to look down on using it though. Or is that just the vocal whiners. I'm not sure.

Crimefighters, why do people hate these? I was even told in a warmaster not to use my Crimefighter it's dps is too low. On my ego 3000 character I was doing 41k a hit. What's the problem there?
I also hear people say "spamming" when it comes to the crimefighter. How does shooting the crimefighter get to considered spamming, as opposed to shooting something with an LMG. Is it a graphics issue? Please, someone explain.

[Chris Robet]

Both cause lag because of their insane graphics issues. The lag is much more prevalent on consoles.

[Graywolfe]

With the BMGs the healing part of them causes all kinds of problems for people, lag for one, lower fps and in cases like mine i loose the server and get disconnected. The graphics from it also block some peoples sight and give them problems since they can not see what is happening around them. The CF is all about the graphics, they need to be cut back. When that happens then it won't be so bad and people won't mind them so much. The CF does not give me problems but he BMG sure does.

[Dixie Cougar]

1. The healing beam is weak, visually obtrusive (blinding), and causes performance issues for many. Not to mention that it occupies a loadout slot that could be used for a more useful weapon. See the fourth line of my sig for a link to an image of a (somewhat extreme but not unusual) example.
2. The Crimefighter is a great crowd control weapon, but it causes perf issues as well and the DPS is quite bad against bosses. 41k a hit on the wm is really not very much at all compared to what people with automatics (1st phase) and crit guns (2nd) are doing.

As things stand now the CF still has its uses, while the BMG is simply a damned menace. Attack with it and your dps is subpar, heal with it and you are effectively griefing everyone you hit with it.

[Fallen_Aingeal]

A lot of ppl set up their perks for benefits when shields are down. Your BMG use is negating that bonus. Lowering the dps of that person.

Your CF may have a high damage number, but its dps is low compared to good smgs and excellent ars. This has been proven time and again.

The graphics {where consoles are concerned}on these weapons wreak havoc on framerate and lag when used in small areas or combined spaces. If there are more than a few ppl using one, I leave. If only one person is using one in an "indoor" co op, I leave. Better than going to the disco.

[hardy83]

I hate BMGs because of the blinding visual effects it causes. It's bad enough when one person is using it but if even two people use it, it's hard to see anything. It's even stupider because there is not options to either tone down or disable that effect.
Or that one that makes a shield, which is nice, but the AGAIN, no way to tone down the shield which can really make it hard to see things also.

I hate the Crimefighter because (I think this is the right gun) the amount of shaking that it causes. 1 or more people using it around you makes it seem like an earthquake is non-stop happening.
Again, no way to tone it down or disable that effect.

I'm on PC so I don't know how much of a performance hit they do on that platform.

[SCAVENGER1]

hardy83 the gun your thinking of is the blood hound it shakes the living crap out of the screen, something that needs to be removed really.

for me the reason why i hate bmg over all, is that players use to get good score cause all they do is nothing and get big rewards. when other that use guns that do damage get ripped off cause we are the 1 that are doing the team good, while as the bmg spammer is hurting the team.

and then the shield that the bmg protector has add in even more trouble then it is worth. and if some like me cause excessive eye strain to the point i end up stop playing cause of the bmg spammers and the worthless shield protector.

bmg may be good for low ego like under 1k maybe to 2k but after that it isnt doing any good at all. and i have died way more when there is a bmg spammer then when there isnt any around. and the crimfighter is ok i have ab= bunch of them but i dont use them. havent got the knack to figure out how to shot mid range .

but i dont get any of the lag like most here and in game say they do, but i would rather have crimfighter then bmg on the field anyday

[BenXFrank]

Please tell me why. I always have a BMG as my second weapon. When I see someone who's low on health I use my BMG to give them a quick boost then I'm back on my primary.People seem to look down on using it though. Or is that just the vocal whiners. I'm not sure.

Crimefighters, why do people hate these? I was even told in a warmaster not to use my Crimefighter it's dps is too low. On my ego 3000 character I was doing 41k a hit. What's the problem there?
I also hear people say "spamming" when it comes to the crimefighter. How does shooting the crimefighter get to considered spamming, as opposed to shooting something with an LMG. Is it a graphics issue? Please, someone explain.

I don't hate BMG and Crimefighters at all. In PVE and Coops they peform very good. I even do like the heals. I always have that Perk activated, on my arkfall build, which reduces received DMG when the shields fills itself. They Crimefighter helps alot in Coop Speedruns. Since These aren't as rewarding as other activities I like to fly through them.

On the other hand: They both arent suited against the Warmaster. There are many Guides out there which explain it.

1. Low DMG output, due to misses. -> Reduces DPS
2. Blocks clear Vision for the whole group (especially when there are >1 CF's) -> Reduces Group-DPS
3. FPS breaks in for few fellow players (myself included) -> reduces DPS
4. No benefit from the +45% Crit Perk when shield's empty -> Reduces DPS massively
5. You won't deplete Warmasters Healthbar

I can understand the use of BMG's. Many non-5k-EGO's don't survive the attackwaves of the Warmaster and end up extracting every 30 seconds. -> I rather suggest then to keep your distance. Use Ablative/Repair Armor Stims and High Capacity Shields. Activate defensice Perks (+HP, +%RegenHP, 1x DMG-Reduction).

[WOODY Killer of NIM]

Crime fighter has such a big blast radius it is hard to see an enimie if uare up close I dont hate the thing....it lags some indoor coop maps only indoor scenes and the spanner protector has a sheild that can be hard to see throughif alot of animation is going on. Both are goods tools but if used at the wrong time they can be a nucence.

[Riz]

When the Crimefighter first came into the game i used it once or twice. Didnt really like it because i couldnt see chit anymore hahaha. Too much light, too much effect. The weapon is based on random hitting enemies and not skill-based, so i put it aside. Really came to hate the Crimefighter when people started (ab)using them in the expert coops. Thats where i experienced that a Crimefighter in the hands of another player causes some serious lag, sometimes even to the point of critting out. Plus the fact that if one player, you or someone else, is using that weapon in dark places and against a lot enemies no one gets to see a dang thing. Sure its effective against regular mobs (not bosses), but no fun for no one.

About the BMG enough things have been said...
- The healing does not compensate for the damage dealt by TL10 mobs, so its better to use a high DPS-weapon and start helping other to kill them baddies.
- It's blinding people's sight.
- It's wrecking some very nice loadouts based on low health/no shield in exchange for higher DPS.
- The infamous Honeycomb.

Personally i see someone using a BMG in my group as a very expendable member within that group. In a coop that means fighting with 3 players and carry a burden.