Nanoless weapons abit underpowered?

[cmpowell]

but thats my point, syphon and radiation with 1 perk equipped out damage it with raw dmg before you factor in all the other effects

its your choice to equip the perk. In some situations not having to equip the perks for the dmg is to your advantage

[stefb42]

I'm sure nanoless guns are subject to less penalisation, like don't they do 100% dmg to health and shields compared to others doing more dmg to shields than health or vice versa?

[Dixie Cougar]

The "problem" as pointed out is that there are very few if any cases where perked radiation is worse than no nano. Borderlands has some passives that enhance no-element weapons. Perks could do the same thing here.

Not rolling a nano in Defiance is kind of part of the drop balance though. You can convert but it costs you the mag slot, etc. Not sure if no nano is ever meant to be a good thing. It's like a gun that drops with a crappy backpack synergy, except it's more important but also more fixable.

More converters would help make nanoless guns a bit more useful I suppose, although you can really get through the entire game with nothing but rad and fire.

[SirServed]

I'm sure nanoless guns are subject to less penalisation, like don't they do 100% dmg to health and shields compared to others doing more dmg to shields than health or vice versa?

In the big picture, no nano weapons suffer pretty heavily. They have the same 25% damage reduction to shields, 10% damage loss per Armor Plate present, the card damage they display is where they max out and they don't have any utility. If you have DLC5, Radiation and Fire are good examples of nano effects that deal more damage than their actual card damage displays and have utility effects.