Co op is now the new hassle in 2015

[konstantinov]

So if you are doing key runs now you have to all run it?

Pretty much.

[duction]

Lol I saw in the patch notes so thing about people cheating in a coop and they may get banned for what they did. Who was it lol.

[stefb42]

Its the whole reason for bringing it back. Was a 100% forge bonus weekend and people were on boasting how much forge they'd made. Then a load of people telling tales on ppl doing it. They immediately pulled commander chronkite and quickly after returned the kick from coop instead of group

[Leprochaun]

I was in an xbl party with someone who tried to do a key run with his own group and they all got to the door but he said there was no circle to activate the boss room. Apparently he and his group had to go back and activate the checkpoints before it showed up. So I'm under the impression that even if a whole group tried to decoy through the map, they wouldn't actually be able to skip it. Which leads me to wonder what the point of the kick-from-group-kick-from-map feature is useful for.

[SUPREEM]

I have friends and clanmates but players aren't always available when you need them to be, that's no problem. Problem is this idiotic boot system that isn't necessary given the fact you have to hit all check points anyway. Its bad enough dealing with noobflation, constant server time outs, lags, PvP issues, etc. Now we gotta walk on eggshells just to play co op and not get booted at the end of it also? This is becoming a bit of a pain.

[BC001]

It is more than just "a bit" of a pain. They took an annoyance and turned it into a complete disaster instead of fixing the root cause.

Now it is nearly impossible to get into a co-op without enough clanmates on to fill it, and if you do manage to get into an ad-hoc one chances are high that it is a core-farming exploit where everyone is kicked at the last part so the leaders' buddies can come in and finish it without "wasting time" (from the core-farmer's point of view) slogging through the whole thing.

Because of nonsense like what has happened to the co-ops I am not looking forward to the rock thing at all, it is far too likely to degenerate into more of the same (or even start out like it in the first place). The best part of Defiance is the open world, why not add to it instead of idiotic angst-ridden, exploitable raid maps?

[ShatterST4R]

I only play with people I know, or if I ask in zone for people. Never enter a random coop map due to this, and I refuse to buy arkforge with bits.

[BC001]

I only play with people I know, or if I ask in zone for people. Never enter a random coop map due to this, and I refuse to buy arkforge with bits.

That is pretty much what I do now too, when there are enough friends on. It is not a solution though, it is just an extremely inconvenient workaround for a serious flaw in the game. Mostly I just do not bother with co-op anymore and I will probably ignore the new raid hub stuff for the same reason.

I came to Defiance out of curiosity from the TV series and stayed mostly because of how well the sandbox style works compared to linear games and their 'endgame' raids. The co-ops here are actually less interesting than those in many other games due to a number of factors and I strongly suspect that the new raids will be similarly effected by them. I believe a lot of other people are here for the differences Defiance has from the run of the mill games too, not for the things in which it is similar to them.

[dremora ven0m]

I actually enjoy co-op aside from the bosses disappering mid fight, n000bs using bmgs & defiant few weapons during them.
I will usually lead groups of randoms on expert maps (cant atm due to xbl & in game chat ban) made up from asking in zone who wants to join.
as I am unable to do this atm I join quick match n have been booted several times. As others have said this is really annoying!
Not sure how this misuse could of not been foreseen given the amount of trolls using the internet!

p.s. really devs you have an 8 hour server maintanance & still end level bosses disappear for 85% of the showdown (motherlode, scrap works, explosions 101, sol excavation & even the pincer. Seems its only the matron that doesnt do it)

[duction]

when the game 1st came out it was just like it is now and people were getting kicked and trolled, kicking out players right at the end when you get to the boss... stops people doing the coops. so they stopped it and all was good, but now they brought it back just to stop the few% glitching the maps and taking advantage of the kick but doesn't boot their group to goto the boss fight within about 10 seconds of the coop starting. ark forge farming