TRION Remove Paywall /p2w from this game

[SirServed]

Sorry. Out of tissues.

Pay a few bucks to help support the game you're enjoying. Not everything is free...

Down Goes Frazier!

[Mazaki]

I can support game paying for cosmetics not for advantage.

[r1p]

Let me preface by saying that I'm definitely not an expert but I don't let that ever prevent me from providing an opinion.

The most sought after DLC weapons that I know of off the top of my head are all ArkBreaker: Springer, Needler, Zagger, Volge Breacher, Headshot Custom Bolter, and Typhoon-X AR. Are any of these weapons that much better than their non-DLC counterparts that they lend creedence to a claim of pay to win? Also, when I think of p2w I think of being able to buy the weapon that I want from the store. If Defiance is p2w we're getting robbed. If playing the lockbox/RNG lottery or paying for an expansion pack so that if you happen to be the 1 person out of the 24 people at a Warmaster arkfall that was lucky enough to get the killing blow so that you get a 10% chance to at getting a decent weapon, then this is the most inefficient p2w game I've ever seen.

*Edit*
Ninja'd by pretty much everyone apparently

[Volodja Uljanov]

With all due respect to fellow player, but I sense impatience here. Desire to kick *** without slow but steady advancing. And believe it or not - DLC dont give you very much advantages. People dont hunt DLC weapons here but mostly the gear that comes from holiday events. Which, by the way, are free to everyone in a game.

[Psycroww]

Down Goes Frazier!

[Tura Satana]

I can support game paying for cosmetics not for advantage.

You aren't getting it. There is little to NO advantage at all by using dlc (pay) weapons OR shields. I have all the dlc, and the majority of those weapons and rewards I trash immediately. The perks.. well.. there are too many useful perks in this game to be able to use them all anyway. So if you aren't using any of the few dlc perks, theres more room for other good and useful perks.

If you're getting your *** kicked in PvP, which is what I suspect, its hardly because people are using pay weapons and perks. Its likely that they are using broken weapons. But at the same time, you can do fine without broken weapons in PvP as well. I use an AR and a shotgun and I do very well. If you're not talking about PvP then I really dont see the problem.

[hardy83]

I agree in that the DLC should be incorporated into the F2P aspect of the game, I don't agree that with it being paid that it's pay to win.

[Psycroww]

I don't understand why people view this game as a pay to win game. In-fact, the majority of people I have seen on the game and forums enjoy PvE more then PvP. I don't understand a concept of pay to win in a pve game like this. The concept of paying to win is you pay to get this huge advantage over people that cannot pay.

How exactly are you winning against everyone else in a co-op/arkfall/incursion/warmaster? Are you that competitive that someone maybe getting more kills because of a different weapon makes you want to unistall?There is no competition, everyone works towards the same goal of a drop, pursuit, enjoyment etc etc. The scoreboards mean nothing because it isn't calculated over the damage you even do, go get yourself a "decent bmg" (prob one of the worst weapons in the game) and you can outscore almost anyone in arkfalls. My point in that is, a persons score doesn't impact you winning in PvE. The goal of PvE is too ultimately kill npcs, if you have someone next to you with a higher dps weapon or what not, be thankful that they are there helping you.

In PvP, I feel like because it's the majority of what I do (trying to get back into pve) I can have a bigger say in this case. PvP first of all cannot be pay to win. When you think of aspects of pay to win in PvP, what comes to mind?

For me and MMO's, it is the ability to sky rocket in the ranks ex. going from level 1 to max level by using your credit card etc, and obtaining gear that take's literally months/ maybe years to achieve regularly, and buying a god weapon that is so ridiculous that no one can even touch you unless they have something similar. Alright time to debunk the pay to win pvp in this game, first of all, there is no gear that gives you more armor or health bonuses then anyone else (unless you count perks but everyone has the ability to use health/armor perks.) Then, you get scaled up to the highest rank in the match, meaning guess what? You get scaled to highest rank in match for free. So your weapons have the same stats they would at that persons rank. And now weapons, there is no weapon in this game that can literally outshine people. Sure there are 2-3x dmg weapons and swimming swams and stuff that can definitely stand out in the crowd, but you cannot buy these weapons. You have to have rng be in your favor first of all, which will be irrelevant because that cant happen coming soon, but anyways my point is there is a counter to all weapons in this game for pvp. Just because you get that one weapon, doesn't mean you will be good with it. And anyone can get that weapon. It doesnt have to be a player that has even payed. People who complain about pay to win in this game, please refute anything I've said, because I'd love to hear whatever pay to win is in this game.

[konstantinov]

It was P2W there for a little bit when they had the Legendary lock box in the store and people were exploiting that of course. 1 OJ and 4 purple mods for $75 and people spent days upon days creating new characters to get that lockbox again and again and again.

[Psycroww]

It was P2W there for a little bit when they had the Legendary lock box in the store and people were exploiting that of course. 1 OJ and 4 purple mods for $75 and people spent days upon days creating new characters to get that lockbox again and again and again.

Exploiting isn't paying to win, and that isn't in the game anymore. Again, there in no pay to win in a PVE game like this, and there is no pay to win in pvp either.