The Blast Rifle. Another gun that needed to be trifled with.

[cmpowell]

better, huh. how are they better? or is it just what you are used to

[Tura Satana]

better, huh. how are they better? or is it just what you are used to

Notice i put "better" in quotation marks. Because any standard VBI for example has always been regarded as superior to a blast rifle. Even the Piper. Well now I suppose they wouldn't be considered better, just on par with each other. Which I don't believe is necessarily true either. Yes blast rifles have a large open reticle, but most enemies are at close to mid range in this game, therefore the lack of accuracy from that is not a huge issue.

[cmpowell]

Notice i put "better" in quotation marks. Because any standard VBI for example has always been regarded as superior to a blast rifle. Even the Piper. Well now I suppose they wouldn't be considered better, just on par with each other. Which I don't believe is necessarily true either. Yes blast rifles have a large open reticle, but most enemies are at close to mid range in this game, therefore the lack of accuracy from that is not a huge issue.

ah, i see what you did there.

blast rifles also suffer from the lowest crit and slowest reload

[Nefarious]

I haven't played PvP since Solstice. But I can assure you guys that I saw Nef was using Blast Rifle 4 or 5 months ago(my gamertag is Bright51d3 to be fair). I remember it so vividly because I was shocked knowing such a hardcore player was using such a crappy weapon. I thought he was using it as a self handicap or something. Definitely I was wrong. So I think I should back his opinion. At least he's not demanding nerf like other whiners because he's not on the losing end.

Thanks for backing me as not many are. The thing is players tested it in PTS and gave it the green light. But how many players really ever extensively used the Blast Rifle prior to that? It definitely had its up sides as it was but were looked past by many.

I asked in the PTS thread (post #6) on how much the Blast Rifle dmg was buffed after I read it. If I was told over 50% I would of been all over it then as I know how the Blast Rifle works, and not because Im some genius but because I was the only man alive to ever really main and use it. Just because other ppl ignored using it doesn't mean it wasn't good, hell a lot of ppl never even knew it did x3 dmg.

But it is what it is. I don't think the Blast Rifle is going to change. At most we can hope for is better changes and through those changes a byproduct is made to help balance other things. Such as nano balancing.

btw sorry if I get worked up. I like Defiance a lot and seeing things happen that look to effect it negatively bothers me some. But its whatever, the game is not my vision. I can just put forth my input.

[SirServed]

There's no need to change the Blast Rifle. It was a weapon I used to instantly vendor, now it's a weapon I can sell to other players. People may feel that its DPS is too high but in actuality it's as high as a decently rolled VBI AR. A decently rolled VBI AR has lower DPS than the best Castithan Springer and the best Castithan Springer has lower DPS than the worst Hog Leg/Needler. For you non-DLC holders, decently rolled VOT Pulser and VOT Tachmag Pulser weapons are better than the Blast Rifle.

[King Stud]

Thanks for backing me as not many are. The thing is players tested it in PTS and gave it the green light. But how many players really ever extensively used the Blast Rifle prior to that? It definitely had its up sides as it was but were looked past by many.

I asked in the PTS thread (post #6) on how much the Blast Rifle dmg was buffed after I read it. If I was told over 50% I would of been all over it then as I know how the Blast Rifle works, and not because Im some genius but because I was the only man alive to ever really main and use it. Just because other ppl ignored using it doesn't mean it wasn't good, hell a lot of ppl never even knew it did x3 dmg.

But it is what it is. I don't think the Blast Rifle is going to change. At most we can hope for is better changes and through those changes a byproduct is made to help balance other things. Such as nano balancing.

btw sorry if I get worked up. I like Defiance a lot and seeing things happen that look to effect it negatively bothers me some. But its whatever, the game is not my vision. I can just put forth my input.

I collected blast & flash rifles too and often used them in pvp. Even fully t4 modded and with the best possible synergy on them (rolling thunder) and using the 2 best pvp nanos (rad and bio), I was only able to do well with them when low-mid ego players were playing. Most of the times these players didn't have as good perks or as a good of a shield as I did, so my ego level and my gear carried me. HOWEVER, any time a high ego player logged on, I got instantly demolished by their slugger/needler/RL/boomer/fragger/hell even a vbi smg. You know why? because its dps was pitifully WEAK. Even if I got the jump on them, I would need to have a head start of at least 2 seconds of continuous fire before I was able to edge them out and kill them. Face it, against any well equipped, high ego player, in a straight on firefight you wouldn't have stood a chance using the old blast rifle. They were strictly for fun weapons (like heavy sawed off scatterguns), and I wouldn't have used them if I needed to win a match.

P.S. The blast rifle also wasn't buffed by over 50%. It was buffed by 50% exactly. Go read the patch notes.

[Nefarious]

Face it, against any well equipped, high ego player, in a straight on firefight you wouldn't stand a chance using the old blast rifle. They were strictly for fun weapons (like heavy sawed off scatterguns), and I wouldn't have used them if I needed to win a match.

That's not true as Otonagamer can vouch for me. I don't expect anyone else to come into the thread and admit I was good and wrecking ppl with it though. And a straight on fire fight as a example is weak. That wasn't one of its good qualities but it very much made up for it in other ways and uses.

[otonagamer]

I think it's the difference between PC and console. It's relatively easy to land every bullet with mouse aiming but it's relatively hard if you use right stick of gamepad. That's why bullet spread of Blast Rifle can be an advantage on console. PTS is only for PC. I think there's not much people using gamepad on PTS. Anyway we already have tons of OP weapons. Let's see for a while how other OP weapons stack against this new face. Maybe different adjustment needed for console.

[Sevrin]

Just for what it's worth. Based on my spreadsheet, my Piper (with a T5 damage barrel and three t4 sat syn mods) now has a higher DPS and DPS/reload than other ARs and basic SMGS (this assumes all three pellets hit the target). The DPS actually compares favorably to tachmags and hoglegs (except those with Cannoneer syn). But its numbers fall off considerably in the crit/DPS category. So, I don't know if this makes it OP or not but it certainly makes it more fun to use than it used to be.

[Br3ach]

I really like the updated blast rifle- PvP, Co-op, open world, warmaster. They took a pitiful weak gun & made it cool. I used to be so bummed to get a purple or OJ balst rifle, cause i was just going to turn around & donate or vendor it. I kept the Piper because it was named, and I have 1 other blast w plateslicer syn.

As for O.P. in pvp... I had friends complain that I used a boomer, and I was told it was cheesy to use a slugger, and stay away from infectors or rocket launchers cause only weak no good players use them. Surge rifles are O.P. and a rad Needler rapes people. So what the heck is acceptable in pvp? Altra told me that every weapon in the game can be O.P. in the right hands, and thats true. So what if blast rifles finally get kills? All the others i mentioned are easy killers too.

Lets just use it & have fun! I know I am.