zaggers

[Chump Norris]

Tricks claim during a live stream that it wouldn't be nerfed turned out to be a lie. They also removed the green reload roll because they said it was useless, that was also a lie.

EDIT: It wasn't an outfit so these were acceptable lies to most.

[Tura Satana]

Find a new broken weapon, seriously.. or maybe even a non-broken one.

[Tekrunner]

Tricks claim during a live stream that it wouldn't be nerfed turned out to be a lie. They also removed the green reload roll because they said it was useless, that was also a lie.

EDIT: It wasn't an outfit so these were acceptable lies to most.

I don't think it was a lie, Trick really didn't seem to see anything wrong with it and left it as it was for a long time, despite being repeatedly shown that the weapon was stupidly overpowered.

[Riz]

Trick didn't seem to see a lot a things going wrong, that's why i'm quite excited to see LoCarb in his place and am not sad at all to see Trick go. I dont know LoCarb, but been watching the latest live-stream (for the first time in ages) to see him in action. Cant do worse. Together with the growing amount of posts from Rashere on this forum, which looks like an awesome dev, i see a brighter future in Defiance. But this is off-topic.

So, on-topic.

Plus the Arkforge used to make said zagger oj from purp(20$ psn card) then trion messes it up and makes it useless. Gotta love it.

Exactly this ^^

I know it says in the users-agreement and policies that Trion is entitled to make changes to game. And by playing Defiance we all agreed. Sure, sure. But they do have to understand that if they're throwing an OP-something into the game, -maybe broken, maybe not tested good enough-, that people are going to chase for that item. And once in possession a lot of players are willing to throw some money into it like DeMoNofDEATH did. And i assume he was not the only one buying Arkforge solely for upgrading and finishing a Zagger. It kinda suxx badly that you put a lot of time and effort into getting a certain gun and required mods, throw real money in to make it perfect only to see it nerfed into worthless pieces a little bit later.

Personally, i hate people destroying stuff i paid for. I was annoyed by this Zagger-nerf, but since i didnt pay anything besides scrip for it i also dont really care for this one in particular. What i do care about is that this was yet another thing that got destroyed after people paid for it.

A reminder on some other stuff...
- The game itself. Paid 60 euro's for it just to see them change the score-system, making DPS and kills redundant in a shooter, for financial reasons.
- Trashing coop-play between low and high EGO's, dividing whole clans just to sell boosts.
- DLC2- I think i paid for locks (and time to reasonably fill the room with enough players), i liked it that way and already paid for it.
- DLC5- Taking money from everyone, then deny low EGO's the possibilty to enter the expert-coops by themselves two weeks later. And with only 5k weapons in the vendors and the scaling system being implanted for everyone, expert coops were like the whole 5th DLC. Dont get me wrong on this one. Low EGO's have no business in expert-coops. But you cant sell it to them, take the money and then exclude them from the party.

The Zagger is just another thing on the list that could be made way longer. Charging money and then nerf the hell out of it is a bad business-model. In the end customers lose their faith in what they've acquired and simply wont buy the stuff they need to upgrade it. Example: I dont think DeMoNofDEATH will buy another $20 PSN-card to upgrade the next OP-gun, knowing that it'll eventually end up nerfed.

[stoodakiss]

Find a new broken weapon, seriously.. or maybe even a non-broken one.

pretty sure your using the word broken wrong. op as intended is a better blanket statment

[Fuzzy]

pretty sure your using the word broken wrong. op as intended is a better blanket statment

The zagger was broken. It was repeatedly stated that the reload of the Zagger was not working as intended and indeed a bug.

[Tekrunner]

The Zagger is just another thing on the list that could be made way longer. Charging money and then nerf the hell out of it is a bad business-model. In the end customers lose their faith in what they've acquired and simply wont buy the stuff they need to upgrade it. Example: I dont think DeMoNofDEATH will buy another $20 PSN-card to upgrade the next OP-gun, knowing that it'll eventually end up nerfed.

I fully agree that things shouldn't be broken in the first place, but if they still make it into the game, they have to get fixed. The same type of arguments could have been made back when surge bolters were nerfed, after having been incredibly OP for months. Yet fixing them was clearly the right thing to do, because they were too powerful for the good of the game.

A good rule of thumb for MMOs, especially F2P ones: if it's clearly OP, expect it to get nerfed eventually.

[satirized]

Also, infinite ego power was certainly NOT intentional which was made possible by the zagger.

[Psycroww]

Oh my god people. Once again, a useless thread has been made because the OP can't take the time to research their question. It's not that hard people. There is a search bar, use it.

And now we get to Rez the QQ'ers of the zaggers. And before anyone starts going off for me saying this, just know in advance that I spent 3000 arkforge on a zagger, 500 to oj it, 2500 to get the reload mastery. And I was pissed off that they changed it. Believe me, I messaged a ton of Devs and made a huge deal about it.

But when you actually sit down, use logic, and have your emotions away from the game, you realize the weapon was stupid to begin with. It was a toy of a weapon. It did not out dps the best dos weapons, but it did out dps most. A 0 reload is broken on a weapon regardless of your opinion. It's a game, the dlc you bought does not revolve around the one weapon you got. Everyone complaining about oh I need a refund to make it fair, you didn't buy the dlc to get a zagger. When you signed the terms and agreements, you agreed to them changing things, therefore your argument is already invalid. It's not like it was something that shouldnt of happened, it needed to happen. So many weapons become obsolete over a period of time, the zagger was going to. It now has a oj mag roll, use overcharge and guess what? You can shoot 4 shoots without reloading. There ya go.

[WhiteStrike]

Oh my god people. Once again, a useless thread has been made because the OP can't take the time to research their question. It's not that hard people. There is a search bar, use it.

And now we get to Rez the QQ'ers of the zaggers. And before anyone starts going off for me saying this, just know in advance that I spent 3000 arkforge on a zagger, 500 to oj it, 2500 to get the reload mastery. And I was pissed off that they changed it. Believe me, I messaged a ton of Devs and made a huge deal about it.

But when you actually sit down, use logic, and have your emotions away from the game, you realize the weapon was stupid to begin with. It was a toy of a weapon. It did not out dps the best dos weapons, but it did out dps most. A 0 reload is broken on a weapon regardless of your opinion. It's a game, the dlc you bought does not revolve around the one weapon you got. Everyone complaining about oh I need a refund to make it fair, you didn't buy the dlc to get a zagger. When you signed the terms and agreements, you agreed to them changing things, therefore your argument is already invalid. It's not like it was something that shouldnt of happened, it needed to happen. So many weapons become obsolete over a period of time, the zagger was going to. It now has a oj mag roll, use overcharge and guess what? You can shoot 4 shoots without reloading. There ya go.

This.Also, the Zagger is still viable.Use this formula OP,if you don't believe me:

(Damage×Crit Multiplier×Fire Rate)/((Fire Rate/Mag)+Reload)

If your math isn't rusty, then you'll see that the Zagger is still a good weapon.

Note:Count mag as 2 shots.Don't forget to double the number of pellets from the stat card(2×8=16).Also,if you don't care about crit DPS then ignore crit in the formula(AKA assume that crit is 1).