Trion what is wrong with you?

[killsh0t]

I like Rift, and I kind of liek this game, but I have to ask myself.

Did any from Rift work on this? and by work I mean ppl actual making the game, and not just some PR front person.
Why Do I ask, as it seem every thing you learn from Rift has been forgotten.

UI, copyed UI from Rift to this woud have been better then what you current have. Other mous aiming online/mmo games have a nice little thing called mouse-toggle, you shoud look it up, so you coud have a "normal" UI and still have mouse aim. Now I dont have anything in itself against the current UI, just it does not work. Why not have all the menu tabs in top insted of dividing it up?
Why so bad hotkey system?

Chat is current a system that tell me what respawn point I am bound to, I cant use it for something els, as I have no control over it.
Cant talk to my friends, and on subject friends, why can I only add ppl that is current online?

ArkFall, I like arkfall, I dont care that they are a cheaper version of rifts from Rift, I can see them grow as the game go forward. But why no open group system? We can reviev and heal other players, but you make it so hard to see how needs help.

Physics in this game reminds me of some of the first real 3D games, with the jumping and driving, after a boost, you get to normal speed as soon as you stop boosting. it seem to make the engine sound for going faster when you are going down hill without you press W? hitting the corner of some small thing only to go staigt up in the air..... jumping is just wierd, it feels/looks like a bad mario game clone in that part.

Co-op, good idea, but compare to the dungeon/lfg system from Rift, I feel like there is missing something, and dont mean in gameplay.

Info, you give players a mission to press some object, but in real you have to kill like 40 mobs first, but you are not told, sometimes even worse, all the mobs do not spawn by themself, you have to walk somewhere to trigger the event to spawn, but sometimes that means you have to walk away from the item you hade to get to.

Mob spawning, I do like that mobs do not just spawn out of the blue, the comming out of doors, underground thing is cool. But it also brings a problem with you spawn system, as you can have clear area, so you back is free, only to have 10 mobs com out of 2 cars behind you, becouse that is how the system said is has to do, becouse you did not enter the area that way the devs meant you to do. So the whole sneak in and take out the mobs goes to hell as you kill the last mob at front gate, all other mobs spawn around you. Sometimes if feel like a on-rails-shooter, where someone forgot to tell me where the rails are.

Agree with me, flame me, whine. tell me this a new game, be a fanboy, Doesnt matter, Just me venting, and tread is forgotten in like less then 24hours.

I like a mmo pve shooter like this to do good so I can play it, I just hope Trion pulls them self together and start making this a pc game insted of a bad port game.

/bump

Terrible game play.
Zero social interaction.
Buggy, clunky console port.
Story makes no sense, isn't believable, has no depth.
npc skins voices and ai are so bad somebody should be fired (from a cannon) into the pacific ocean.

[Teran]

Did any from Rift work on this? and by work I mean ppl actual making the game, and not just some PR front person.
Why Do I ask, as it seem every thing you learn from Rift has been forgotten.

UI, copyed UI from Rift to this woud have been better then what you current have. Other mous aiming online/mmo games have a nice little thing called mouse-toggle, you shoud look it up, so you coud have a "normal" UI and still have mouse aim. Now I dont have anything in itself against the current UI, just it does not work. Why not have all the menu tabs in top insted of dividing it up?
Why so bad hotkey system?

I share a lot of your frustration with certain elements of the game however you aren't framing the question in a fair way. There is no guarantee that this game would be any better or worse based on the number of Rift developers who worked on Defiance. The reason for this is simple, Defiance is not on the same evolutionary path as Rift, that is to say Defiance is not Rift with more refined game mechanics so many of the lessons they learned with Rift simply do not apply to Defiance.

Comparing Rift to Defiance would be like comparing a fire engine to a race car. If a team of people that developed a really well designed race car who are then given the task of designing a fire engine most of what they learned from the race car project is not very useful. Sure some elements are fundamental to all automobiles however having a fire engine that can get to the fire faster isn't helpful if its ability to fight said fire is diminished.

Rift was created as a PC subscription based mmorpg. Defiance was created as a free to play multiplatform release and because two of the three platforms are severely limiting in terms of user interfaces the limitations are based around those two platforms. It's extremely annoying that the PC players have to suffer because of this however one must acknowledge that they are operating on a budget and that budget does not (apparently) leave much in terms of resources for customizing the PC version to take advantage of the strengths that are associated with it... so we get fewer graphical adjustment options, a terrible UI, game mechanics that are more suited for people who can't play the game for more than 20 minutes at a time, and much much more.

The fact that the game is fun despite all this is what impresses me... I just hope they do make the game more PC friendly at some point in the future.

/bump

Terrible game play.
Zero social interaction.
Buggy, clunky console port.
Story makes no sense, isn't believable, has no depth.
npc skins voices and ai are so bad somebody should be fired (from a cannon) into the pacific ocean.

1. Gameplay is flawed but not terrible.

2. By far the biggest weakness in the game. We are given the choice between typing into a chat channel no one reads or notices or trying to get the voice chat to work, often with disasterous results.

3. Yep, it is a console port... however that's because they don't have room in the budget to create two distinct version of the game so we get a compromise. Could be better, could be worse... that's how compromises work.

4. Since when was a believable story a requirement for video games? It might not make sense but criticizing it because it's fiction is just silly.

[goldtupac]

You PC elitist make me sick! So what if its a "console port"... Do you really need 20483948x AA???? The game play is fun and thats what should matter. The UI is FINE as it is but could use some improvements, not any overhauls. No social interaction? Make some friends? Add people to play? Invite to clans?

Disgusted by master race pc elitists.

[BlueRaith]

I wish we could have a dedicated chat box option that I could put in one of the corners of my screen. Seeing only 3 lines or so of text at a time in a place on my screen that I'm not looking at often really, really makes me miss most chats in the game.

[icubro]

You PC elitist make me sick! So what if its a "console port"... Do you really need 20483948x AA???? The game play is fun and thats what should matter. The UI is FINE as it is but could use some improvements, not any overhauls. No social interaction? Make some friends? Add people to play? Invite to clans?

Disgusted by master race pc elitists.

As a member of the Glorious PC Master Race I find this a bit insulting. The fact is we of the Glorious PC Master Race do not look down on the unwashed console masses. We treasure their adorable yet dirty, inelegant, and inferior video games. The fact is that we of the Glorious PC Master Race do not suffer from unwashed console ports. Please, in the future, refrain from attacking your Superiors because we would never do the same to you.

Love and Kisses.

[Nexos_Arc]

You PC elitist make me sick! So what if its a "console port"... Disgusted by master race pc elitists.

If I need 8 clicks - if i recall correctly - for every single item to salvage something is wrong.
multi-item salvage not possible either ... afaik.

think it goes like this ...
- select salvage matrix
- select item
- 2x click item
- 2x click salvage
- start process
- are you sure

not that you need to salvage often, LOL

and don't mention the chat system.

anyway, i like the game so far, but to say UI is "acceptable" is ....
+fix social part of the game and this can be a real winner.
thx.

[MegaGame]

I share a lot of your frustration with certain elements of the game however you aren't framing the question in a fair way. There is no guarantee that this game would be any better or worse based on the number of Rift developers who worked on Defiance. The reason for this is simple, Defiance is not on the same evolutionary path as Rift, that is to say Defiance is not Rift with more refined game mechanics so many of the lessons they learned with Rift simply do not apply to Defiance.

Not comparing the 2 games in term of gameplay/mechanics, but in the UI, mob spawn, the mission info. Yes they have stuff to learn about making a 3.person shooter, but the mmo part of the game, I expect to been better.

You PC elitist make me sick! So what if its a "console port"... Do you really need 20483948x AA???? The game play is fun and thats what should matter. The UI is FINE as it is but could use some improvements, not any overhauls. No social interaction? Make some friends? Add people to play? Invite to clans?

Disgusted by master race pc elitists.

Who is talking about AA? what good does friends do if you cant sent them a tell? even to and a friend, you have to have talk to them ouf of game to know if they are online, as you cant add offline friends, a system is useless if you have to use an other system to use the first system. Clans good idea, look at rift and how easy it is to find guilds there and then look at this game.

You are the one being an elitists, you complain about we want the same level as support as the consols have, as the system are build for consols, then we the pc ppl also want that level of support, you are the one that wants to witheld the pc ppl the same rights.

[ExpiredLifetime]

If I need 8 clicks - if i recall correctly - for every single item to salvage something is wrong.
multi-item salvage not possible either ... afaik.

think it goes like this ...
- select salvage matrix
- select item
- 2x click item
- 2x click salvage
- start process
- are you sure

not that you need to salvage often, LOL

and don't mention the chat system.

anyway, i like the game so far, but to say UI is "acceptable" is ....
+fix social part of the game and this can be a real winner.
thx.

Your enter key does the same thing as clicking or double clicking. Once you get into the habit of using that, its really not that big of a deal.

[Commander]

Chat is current a system that tell me what respawn point I am bound to, I cant use it for something els, as I have no control over it.
Cant talk to my friends, and on subject friends, why can I only add ppl that is current online?

+1
The Chat is actually a total gamebreaker. We have here an MMO, a game where you play with other people, and you CAN'T* chat ingame with them or see what they are talking to you.


*The developers made some obsucre chat, but it is not usable! Look at every other MMO, or even at the cheapest korean F2P MMos. They all have better Chats.
You need a Chat-Window on your screen, where you can see what people are talking. And even in the F2P MMos this is normally fully configurable, with how many lines of chat you want to see and how many chat windows (area, server, clan-chat).

[Ballzz]

Have to agree with the OP on this. I sure expected a lot more from Trion. It doesn't matter if it's a different team. To deviate so far from the quality level of Rift is very disappointing. The analogy of a race car and a fire truck is way off. There are certain fundamental elements across MMOs that should be standard at this point. If you can't improve on them at least make them as good as what came before you. Don't make them WORSE and if you can't do that because you are trying to do a multi-platform release maybe you should reconsider that plan? Broader appeal is worthless if nobody sticks around to play.

This could have been so much more than it is. This UI is pitiful. The chat system is unusable. I still haven't figured out how to even send anyone a "tell" in game because it gives zero feedback as to what I just entered (not that anyone would see it or respond). To get an invite to my clan it took someone traveling to me, inviting me to a group (take like 5 sub menus to accept group invite) and THEN he can invite me to clan (another 5 deep sub menu click fest to accept). There are like 50 different windows and screens and really the whole thing is just a hot jumbled mess. Never seen a UI this bad in any game..and that includes SWTOR which was pretty bad. The physics is terrible. The jumping almost seems like a joke and the vehicle physics is pretty bad.

I have to say that I have a console and like console games. I have never been one to join in the console vs PC banter because I like both and think they both have their advantages and disadvantages. However, this game has made me reconsider. If games are going to keep going in this direction where there is just one half-*** game for console and PC then I would rather they focus on one or the other and if I have to pick one I'm going with PC. I would rather have seen this as a console only MMO or something..at least they could have focused on what it really is..which is a console game with a really bad PC port.

It's not all bad. The game is pretty fun despite all this which is the only reason I bothered posting. Maybe something will get fixed but I'm not holding my breath and I'm sure glad I didn't purchase the season pass. I'm guessing many others are in the same boat. It's too bad the game itself is putting up so many barriers to it's enjoyment.

signed,
Reluctant New Glorious PC Master Race Member