Not enough players playing pvp,

[Lawnmandammitt]

Because i cant enjoy the guns i like to use without receiving hate mail, or zone chat. You hate on canker, sludge combo too?

[Nefarious]

In pvp you have to use cover and outfox the opponents. With my weak setup I was able to take out 2 players (both better equipped than me). I just utilized my environment and tried to my weapons as intended.

I know all about this. And trust me, I hold my own when I purposely under equip myself. But for new and casual players they are vastly under equipped. 64v64 Shadow Wars is now nothing but 6v6 at most at any giving time because of it.

At this point and time with Ammo and Consumable boosts along with Cyber Rigs carrying over I would rather have Pre Made Loadouts for PvP even though Im against it and would prefer just better balance to the game. But it has really hit a point of no return, like how many things are going to be introduced that make things totally unbalanced for those who don't have them? It has become a big list now of things that need to go back on and be re-tweaked.

It just annoys me because this is the main reason I bought the game.

This is what sold me.

[dremora ven0m]

It is horribly unbalanced, everyone should start off with same weapons & loadouts.
Oh defo no ego perks.
xbl eu its always the same people with cloak in SW its surge bolter, in cap&hold its big boomers & deathmatch sawn offs!!!!
yaawwnzz
I have done it for the pursuits, I will help others do the pursuits also but would never play defiance pvp for fun as it is not!

[WhiteStrike]

It is horribly unbalanced, everyone should start off with same weapons & loadouts.
Oh defo no ego perks.
xbl eu its always the same people with cloak in SW its surge bolter, in cap&hold its big boomers & deathmatch sawn offs!!!!
yaawwnzz
I have done it for the pursuits, I will help others do the pursuits also but would never play defiance pvp for fun as it is not!

Or...
Add an Echelon crate to the Echelon Vendor.The weapons from that crate are the only ones that can be used in PVP.This way the devs can control the weapons that can be used and give the Echelon vendor reason to exist.Two birds,one stone.

[Chump Norris]

Even one player would be to many.

[Tekrunner]

I've played quite a bit of pvp in the past, but I can't face playing anymore until the announced changes are implemented. The balance is just too out of whack, I don't really have fun stomping undergeared new players, nor do I have much fun facing veterans who can kill you in half a second. Bug fixes from 3.0 made blighters / feasters a bit more manageable, but as Nefarious says, cyber rigs are only going to widen the gap between new and experienced players. With 2 more expeditions I'll be able to have a rig with -15% damage taken plus some other small bonuses; that's a big advantage over a newer player using a green rig with like 3 chips.

[DEATHBRINGER210]

dont worry they will nerf the rigs soon enough

[DEATHBRINGER210]

New players? We are not going to see new players as long as the game keeps piling stuff on to keep them down from trying.

2 things just got added to ward new players from PvP away even more.

1. Ammo, grenades, spikes, and stim capacity added to those who have the boosts, mainly the Patron Pass which is a constant. You get to carry more of everything then those who don't have it. An extra grenade. 3 more spikes and stims. And 25% more ammo.

2. Then there is Cyber Rigs. Something that new players don't have any kind of access to really. And there are a few combinations when combined with other things to make the players who constantly run the OP stuff even more OPed then before. What can new players do when they enter a match with VBI AR and are met with bunny hopping speed boosting quick shield regenerating players who are using a Blast Rifle and Rocket Launcher?

Its all bs. With every update is a step forward for PvP but also 4 steps back. And the PvP populace in the game dwindles more and more. Only leaving the few Hardcore players in it. And Defiance PvP was made to be big, not in a constant state of 1 point capture Shadow Wars or Goon Squads that constantly que up for Water Front to prey on under equipped players.

One good thing that came from the update was that Spikes are now destructible, and that's really cool. But Ammo/Consumable capacity boost and Cyber Rigs should of never carried over into PvP.

you could always destroy spikes always

[DEATHBRINGER210]

i like how the game is all about him , his wants and how he feels

[Fallen_Aingeal]

I keep hearing whining about unbalance, not good enough gear, vets stomping new players, etc.

Good. My opinion is that it should remain unbalanced. It's the way of the world. Put in the time to acquire the gear. Put in the practice to get better. Learn the mechanics of the game.

I tried pvp when I was new to the game. Had my azz handed to me. I learned that I needed to get better. I realized that I needed better gear and needed to learn more before I tried again.

I'm sorry if this pisses off the kool aid drinking, "oh, everything has to be fair, give me a marshmallow to throw" crowd. I'm sorry if you're now getting your azz handed to you from ppl like me because you think I'm a hacker, or use op weapons. Actually, I'm not...

I use the gear I acquired in game. I use a variety of weapons. I use a variety of shields. I use 3 of the 4 perks available. I get better from learning from the mistakes I made, rather than whine to have everything nerfed to nothing.

You want to fix pvp?

Get rid of scaling in pvp. Make pvp be instanced to like ego levels. Just a couple of examples.

Life isn't a fair playing field.

Victory is earned, not given...