anyone think thsi will have expansion packs?

[DuoMaxwell007]

Just take a look at Trion's own history, consistently pushing amazing content out for Rift over even the first few months. There either isn't much information or a deep amount of information for certain aspects of Defiance yet, but I trust Trion to take care of us.

the question however is was Rift's content pushed out over DLC or did they actually have full blown disc based expansions?

Also kepe in mind they keep making it clear that Defiance is a "Shooter first and an MMO second" which to me means we cant use any of Trions other games as a reference of how well Defiance wil be treated/handled.. i.e just because it showed up in Rift eventually doesnt mean We'll se it in Defiance someday (player housing for example) as stuff like that are staples of MMOs not shooters and Shooter aspects take priority in Defiance soooo..... yeah. My expectations are set quite low

[seventhaxis]

the question however is was Rift's content pushed out over DLC or did they actually have full blown disc based expansions?

Also kepe in mind they keep making it clear that Defiance is a "Shooter first and an MMO second" which to me means we cant use any of Trions other games as a reference of how well Defiance wil be treated/handled.. i.e just because it showed up in Rift eventually doesnt mean We'll se it in Defiance someday (player housing for example) as stuff like that are staples of MMOs not shooters and Shooter aspects take priority in Defiance soooo..... yeah. My expectations are set quite low

Trion pushed Rift content out for free during the first nine months or so. This included additional end-game raids, quality updates to classes and abilities, along with great events that would regularly last around a month or longer. I left shortly after Hammerknell was released (1/10), but I get your point about it being a different genre. Still, I think Trion has set an internal and general precedent for caring and polishing their game, adding substantial updates and content quickly and even for free.

I don't really know what my exact expectations are, but I'm optimistic about the game simply because Trion is behind it.

[DuoMaxwell007]

well i notice you mentioned free content.. well if the free content is that "good" then what about the paid content? I mean we did by a season pass for defiance after all lol.. unless of course Rift isnt F2P in which case youre technically paying for all the free content every month lol

[seventhaxis]

well i notice you mentioned free content.. well if the free content is that "good" then what about the paid content? I mean we did by a season pass for defiance after all lol.. unless of course Rift isnt F2P in which case youre technically paying for all the free content every month lol

Rift is subscription based still, as far as I know, but has had at least one update requiring a separate payment. You are correct that the "free" content wasn't really free due to the sub but its great content overall. Ultimately I'm saying I trust that Trion has great content on the horizon. Whether it's paid or not is yet to be seen, but should be quality nonetheless.

[SeroRamai]

The question is not "Do you think it will?", the question is, "Do you BELIEVE it will?" in which case yes. Because magical ponys.

[DuoMaxwell007]

Rift is subscription based still, as far as I know, but has had at least one update requiring a separate payment. You are correct that the "free" content wasn't really free due to the sub but its great content overall. Ultimately I'm saying I trust that Trion has great content on the horizon. Whether it's paid or not is yet to be seen, but should be quality nonetheless.

of course the free content was great.. because youre paying monthly and they wanna keep you playing... thus they have to go above and beyond the call to keep its costumers.. like they say "you get what you pay for" so if Defiance was Sub based Id expect the same quality too, however non sub based MMOs tend to be quite a letdown

[seventhaxis]

of course the free content was great.. because youre paying monthly and they wanna keep you playing... thus they have to go above and beyond the call to keep its costumers.. like they say "you get what you pay for" so if Defiance was Sub based Id expect the same quality too, however non sub based MMOs tend to be quite a letdown

That's not always the case. Many sub-based MMOs have turned to crap despite releasing lots of content. The *quality* of Trion's content is what I'm confident in.

[DuoMaxwell007]

That's not always the case. Many sub-based MMOs have turned to crap despite releasing lots of content. The *quality* of Trion's content is what I'm confident in.

well even if that were true I have yet to play a F2P mmo that was good.. so "turned TO crap" is still better than "WAS ALWAYS crap" but hopefully this is the game that changes that

[Warhead]

actually expansions are usually MUCH better than DLC (so big they get their own disc usually) and are released yerly.. whereas dlc/updates can come every 3 months and arent half as big (in size of scope) as an expansion

I think you may be using an outdated paradigm. Take a non MMO game like Borderlands 2. It has DLC costumes, but it also has a season pass with DLC expansion packs. The packs don't have their own discs, but contain 6-10 hours of gameplay. Six to 10 hours is as long as some stand alone games. Or Skyrim. Same deal. The line between "DLC" and "expansion pack" has blurred. Just like most people would not consider Defiance a "downloadable game," even though a downloadable version will be available.

[DuoMaxwell007]

I think you may be using an outdated paradigm. Take a non MMO game like Borderlands 2. It has DLC costumes, but it also has a season pass with DLC expansion packs. The packs don't have their own discs, but contain 6-10 hours of gameplay. Six to 10 hours is as long as some stand alone games. Or Skyrim. Same deal. The line between "DLC" and "expansion pack" has blurred. Just like most people would not consider Defiance a "downloadable game," even though a downloadable version will be available.

well the difference is those 6-10 hours probably take place on a same map using the same enemy models so it snot that big in size and if it IS a new map.. borderlands isnt an MMO so its map isnt so huge..

.. now imagine having t download a file thats has a map the size of a US state and the entire population (on monster) to go with it? thats gotta be too much to dl or wait on lol.. for example WoW burning crusade.. how big is that disc (in GBs?)

and speaking of Outdated Paradigm doesnt EVE,m WoW and Rift still use the term "expansion packs"? Are those games no longer relevant this gen despite still seeing new content for them even today?

I havent gamed on a PC since the 90s but Im sure even they still have disc based expansion packs for most of its first person shooters