Wealth and are you serious?

[konstantinov]

I've had at the most around 30 mil. Scrip has no value to me and I'd much rather have the items in my inventory than all the scrip on ps3 NA. I think the biggest problem is that newer guys feel cheated that they're playing catch up and aren't willing to trade personals for personals. You can't honestly expect someone to trade a one off weapon for a Fate's Kiss regardless of how much you talk it up. I could give you personal examples of this until your ears bleed but everyone knows what I'm talking about. Personally, I'm sick of the complaining and having the finger pointed at me for prices on ps3 NA. If you don't like the state of the economy then this isn't the game for you.

I'm going to play the game as I see fit and remember this isn't a popularity contest, it's a kill or be killed game. Suck it up and keep going or move on.

1280 no scope quick shot rollerskates upside down behind the back afk trick shot.

[Neptuno]

Another factor to consider is inventory management and time investments.

The real difference in the defiance economy is trying to navigate it. Since we can't easily view items in game or have a price history, higher price points that don't sell tend to be on the front forum page and cause prices to inflate.

Those who feel like taking the time to work the market will always make more profits. Those who don't want to fool with it will sell to those rich people and make a meager earning enough to maybe keep their weapons up. Nothing wrong with either way to play.

I'll be happy with my T4 mods and still probably beat many running the T5 that paid an exponentially higher price for that single linear step improvement.

[Arcade]

I've never figured out these high scrip prices.

Scrip is basically worthless - what is ANYBODY going to do with mega millions of it?

Can't even get a decent burger with it!

Scrip is valuable for newcomers (like me) who have no other way to acquire named weapons, pre-patch weapons, or other OP items that are not available except through trading with other players. Now, I can't tell you what veterans need a ton of scrip for, but I don't expect them to be giving away rare items like that for free, so I don't mind if they charge a ton of scrip for them...

As far as the t4 sol mods go, there is no way I'm paying the prices they are asking on PS3/NA. 350k for a .05 increase in recoil on a syn that isn't even that powerful? No thanks.

[konstantinov]

Scrip is valuable for newcomers (like me) who have no other way to acquire named weapons, pre-patch weapons, or other OP items that are not available except through trading with other players. Now, I can't tell you what veterans need a ton of scrip for, but I don't expect them to be giving away rare items like that for free, so I don't mind if they charge a ton of scrip for them...

As far as the t4 sol mods go, there is no way I'm paying the prices they are asking on PS3/NA. 350k for a .05 increase in recoil on a syn that isn't even that powerful? No thanks.

I happily paid a mil a piece for a t5 SP external recoil reduction and high cap mag.

[Arcade]

I happily paid a mil a piece for a t5 SP external recoil reduction and high cap mag.

Didn't you just say that you had 30 mil at one point? I guess this is what veterans do with their scrip. rofl

I don't really like this syn so there's no way I'd pay that much... maybe I'd pay 350k for a t5 sol mod since that's what t5s normally sell for (which is fair IMO since cores take time and effort to acquire), but at this point I wouldn't pay a million scrip for any t5 mod.

[Smokey Black]

Didn't you just say that you had 30 mil at one point? I guess this is what veterans do with their scrip. rofl

I don't really like this syn so there's no way I'd pay that much... maybe I'd pay 350k for a t5 sol mod since that's what t5s normally sell for (which is fair IMO since cores take time and effort to acquire), but at this point I wouldn't pay a million scrip for any t5 mod.

You don't get t5 sol mods with cores so its not time or effort. Most of them were aquired in SOL bit store boxes so players paid real life money for them. A very few people got them as weekly bountys.

[JOCCO5150]

I would pay a mil each for correct t5 ST mods, but not any other

[tig3r]

Kon, I play at least 12-15 hours a day except on Sunday and Friday.
I also spend money in the bitstore. Just during this event alone I spent
Almost $50 US which in my opinion was more than I should have.
I know the comment you made was a general statement and hopefully not
Directed towards anyone specific. My only questions were who decides the
value of an item and how are people getting these millions on millions of scrip?

At any given time there are several factors I consider when I play the game. I really enjoy playing PvP for hours on end, but between matches and whenever time allows I would keep on eye on zone chat for trading. It doesn't have to be multi million deals but I actively advertise even if its a piece of scrap because for me the mindset is even that simple interaction with a customer is a gain for me.

Usually a OJ that I would not keep would sell at 20-150k depending on what it is but mostly its 20k-30k. That's not breaking the bank of low ego players who may have not had much chance to break the mil barrier so I feel I'm offering a service while I engage in the activities of trading which I enjoy mostly. Having a clan to support you by donating stuff for you to re-sell can help. Also the longer you spend time playing with trading in mind, you will start to see more opportunities arise because you know where to start looking. So which ever strategy I went by, I capitalised off of what I could and slowly but surely and now sitting on an undisclosed amount of scrips where I'm comfortable in knowledge that I can make a decent offer to get most things I want, which is really not bad.

I've not majored in economy or anything and definitely go by the feels of things a lot of the times as far as trading ethic is concerned. But I don't recommend it much because it probably cost me mistakes where it should not have happened, errors that cost me a JP to learn that, quite frankly, a JP is too priceless to sell, because the RNG drop when it happens is a pretty damn cool experience and cannot be repeated with $$$. People who would spend $1000s to hit a JP but failing is worse than gambling and earlier on I decided not to spend a penny more after getting the game disc and 1 DLC which probably has saved me from the heartaches and disappointments that is riddled with bit store purchases.

PS3 EU where I play is I figure the quieter parts of Defiance universe where price seem reasonable compared to most other places. This owes to the simple fact that there aren't as many people playing on PS3 EU equating to less scrip being in circulation as on say PC NA.

I think this would answer your question of WHO decides the market price because its down to the whole populace and to the reason and caprice of each individual. As for the second question, no one makes millions over night without some sort of market knowledge, ethic or strategy. So the question really ought to be 'What is the story behind those who are sitting on millions of scrips?'

[Fenikkusu Gatou]

Ah, Ryu. We had this conversation (in-game) a few days ago, didn't we? Right now, I have a little over 200,000 scrip--and 100k of that was given to me by my veteran clan leader for a new OJ shield (I told him not to, but he's got plenty he says). My lack of funds is mostly due to the fact that I break down whatever I get from battles into Ark Salvage so I can mod, mod, mod. (Lots of Legendary's this month, too)

I can accrue scrip faster now that I know selling empty weapons to the vendor is like selling books to a used bookstore. Useless. You get more value from a modded weapon, even if those mods are cheap T1-T2 mods. But you get more in salvage per piece for all that. So some weeks I concentrate on modding and then the next I'm selling everything. I coughed up 100,000k for a Heartbreaker SMG, so I could fill out the synergy (I have a heartbreaker flare with 3 mods). It was worth it to me, so I didn't mind paying that but some of the pricing for other stuff is just... laughable. (Especially consumables. You're better off buying faction crates or lockboxes--or having really awesome friends, LOL).

For people like you and me who are constantly putting scrip right back into the game with mods and lockboxes and such, we may never reach some of the figures that others do. Mostly because we don't play the market. And that's fine. I sell strictly to the vendor these days, unless I see someone looking for something I happen to have (that I'm willing to part with). Then I undersell it or trade it for something ridiculous or give it away--just to fk with the market value. It's a game, just like any other but you get to decide how you want to play it. Go for broke, LOL.

[Ryu Soba JP]

Yes, we talked a little about this in regards to a consumable that was way overpriced.

Maybe I need to explain my opinion on how generous offers cause market inflation.

Player A has an item and states they are selling said item.
Player B offers on the item and player A is thinking if the offer is fair.
Player C who REALLY likes the item decides to offer much higher than player B which allows player C to aquire said item.
Meanwhile, player D watches silently and thinks "hey, I have that item maybe I can get the huge offer too"
So, next day Player D states they are selling their item for the amount that player C offered. A different player (E) offers and obtains the item. As more players see this they assume the item is worth the higher price thus cutting out the low/mid income players. Thus inflating the market values.

I haven't even mentioned the bid wars on some items because what I see is in many cases a friend bidding on an item against an unknown just so the friend selling it gets a ridiculous offer from the unknown. Again, players see a high priced deal that should have been a one off will assume this is the actual sell value.

This is how it works in the real world.