Please buff FRC line of weapons!

[Skiller115]

Because even if they get buffed, they'd have to be the exact same at which point there's no reason for them to both exist. You're trying to make everything equal, which brings me to this:


Reb gets it.

Instead of your line of reasoning that ALL weak guns need a buff, you should look at specific weapon types. For example, with the exception of the Crimefighter, Combat Shotguns are all terrible. That's something that should be looked at. When a weapon type has no viable option, it's a cause for concern. Trying to make 10 viable weapon models per type only serves to dilute the system and you as a player lose a sense of accomplishment because now you just need to get your hands on any one instead of aiming for the best one.

What's the point of the guns existing in the first place? If they are weak at everything! Your logic is flawed. If the real world worked like this then we all would be driving pentos! I'm saying buff the guns because they are weak at everything, and you guys say no because we should only let our favorite guns be good because you know some things have to be better than others! With that kind of loser mindset you will just say to others. People will always be better than me so I better not even try! If this was a pvp game then hey nobody would mind if the guns are buffed but in an MMO People a so narrow minded and selfish in that if the gun doesn't bother them then they don't care what happens to it! Just as long as their favorite gun does the most dps and that no one should be able to acquire the same gun in any reasonable time they are ok with that!

[SirServed]

What's the point of the guns existing in the first place? If they are weak at everything! Your logic is flawed. If the real world worked like this then we all would be driving pentos! I'm saying buff the guns because they are weak at everything, and you guys say no because we should only let our favorite guns be good because you know some things have to be better than others! With that kind of loser mindset you will just say to others. People will always be better than me so I better not even try! If this was a pvp game then hey nobody would mind if the guns are buffed but in an MMO People a so narrow minded and selfish in that if the gun doesn't bother them then they don't care what happens to it! Just as long as their favorite gun does the most dps and that no one should be able to acquire the same gun in any reasonable time they are ok with that!

Here's a question:
Is it your favorite because you like the way it looks or because of the performance it has? Don't confuse my most commonly used for my favorites.

A close 2nd would be Undertaker for the fire rate but my personal favorite right now is the Beelzebub, because it looks AMAZING. It's sitting on my banker right now and we have a Love/Hate relationship going on. I whip it out and do Dark Matter Expeditions with it from time to time but the accuracy loss during sustained fire doesn't allow me to use it full time as my Assault weapon of choice. This is because I play by numbers. At the same time, I can't bring myself to sell or trade it away, even though it could be more appreciated by another player.

You're looking at FRC weapons specifically but what's next? People that use other underpowered weapons will cry for buffs and we end up in a situation in which everything is equal and nothing is best. Now all you have to do is get hold of one weapon from each type (I guess the one that looks best?) and your chase is done.

EDIT: Also, starting with "weak" guns and moving on to better ones gives you a sense of growth, the same way you start at 10 EGO and move towards 6000. Hey, let's make everyone start at 6000 because the guys that start at 10 EGO are too weak!

[Skiller115]

Here's a question:
Is it your favorite because you like the way it looks or because of the performance it has? Don't confuse my most commonly used for my favorites.

A close 2nd would be Undertaker for the fire rate but my personal favorite right now is the Beelzebub, because it looks AMAZING. It's sitting on my banker right now and we have a Love/Hate relationship going on. I whip it out and do Dark Matter Expeditions with it from time to time but the accuracy loss during sustained fire doesn't allow me to use it full time as my Assault weapon of choice. This is because I play by numbers. At the same time, I can't bring myself to sell or trade it away, even though it could be more appreciated by another player.

You're looking at FRC weapons specifically but what's next? People that use other underpowered weapons will cry for buffs and we end up in a situation in which everything is equal and nothing is best. Now all you have to do is get hold of one weapon from each type (I guess the one that looks best?) and your chase is done.

EDIT: Also, starting with "weak" guns and moving on to better ones gives you a sense of growth, the same way you start at 10 EGO and move towards 6000. Hey, let's make everyone start at 6000 because the guys that start at 10 EGO are too weak!

You can't handle more than one choice of a weapon to use? MMO people make my head spin! I'm used to playing games like Battlefield 3 where all the guns are balanced and some guns may do more damage while others are more accurate or shoot faster. But most of the FRC guns don't have anything to counterbalance the weak stats! But I guess I'm wrong for wanting more gun variety other than the "holy six!" P.S. Nice one Ray!

[SirServed]

You can't handle more than one choice of a weapon to use? MMO people make my head spin! I'm used to playing games like Battlefield 3 where all the guns are balanced and some guns may do more damage while others are more accurate or shoot faster. But most of the FRC guns don't have anything to counterbalance the weak stats! But I guess I'm wrong for wanting more gun variety other than the "holy six!" P.S. Nice one Ray!

This isn't Battlefield 3, it's Defiance.

EDIT: By the way.
FRC Magnum - Heavy damage per shot. This is guaranteed damage on contact instead of critical potential like a Wolfhound. It in comparison is more ammo efficient in situations in which landing critical hits is not realistic.

FRC Nomad SMG - Large base magazine size. VOT Pulser variants have around 60ish base.

FRC Particle Scattergun - Charge weapons can kill players instantly. You would also do well to compare a Combat Shotgun to another Combat Shotgun and not a Sawed Off like a Zagger (3m Falloff range).

FRC Heavy Scattergun - Lower damage than Birdshot Pump but higher fire rate. Compare this to the Slugger (which recently had its Accuracy fixed) which is a hit or miss weapon.

FRC Birdshot Pump - More damage than Scattergun but lower Fire Rate. Compare this to the Slugger (which recently had its Accuracy fixed) which is a hit or miss weapon.

VBI PAS Tornado - Charge weapon. This should be a Combat Shotgun iirc.

VBI Haar - Another Charge weapon, see explanation above about Charge weapons.

Just because you feel that a weapon is weak doesn't mean it can't serve a specific purpose of some sort. The only super weak weapon on this list is the FRC Nomad SMG, because it's the worst of two different SMGs. Naming 4 FRC weapon types as weak and calling for change doesn't negate the other viable FRC weapons (e.g. Quick Repeater, SAW, Big Boomer, Assault Carbine) that exist. You need to look at EVERYTHING instead of just picking and choosing what makes your argument sound best.

Good luck in your crusade for equality.

[Akira Kimekawa]

I just think this thread is funny, I'm a shotgun user, all kinds every kind. And most of the people on PS3/NA i chat with will tell you, I rock an oj FRC Bezerker Shotgun with Spinal Tap synergy and oj crit Sov Slugger....and I use my Bezerker most of the time, it's a monster in my setup!!! Sov Slugger is there for those pesky heavy shielded foes...

there are plenty of GOOD FRC guns out there not only do each gun has their strengths but each Manufacturer has their strengthy guns....
FRC Bezerker Shotgun (with Spinal Tap) this is just a barrage of lifestealing goodness - just saying.
FRC Big Boomer enough said here. LOL
FRC TeleSpanner was THE only BMG i've seen prepatched to have 0% charges on both Heal & DMG or even a negative% charge that actually refills you BMG.
FRC Heavy Assault Carbines with Stalker are a cool substitute to snipers if one doesn't like snipers ...and i can safely say i enjoy time to time tinkering with these unique guns for the hell of it.
FRC Saws are solid LMGs if you can handle a big recoil or get one with a more tamed kick.

So tell me.... does FRC "line up" really deserve a buff.... I say no. Do some genres of guns need a little TLC... sure!

only specific gun i'd like to see get a buff... VOLGE LIGHTNING RIFLE... even if was a small increase to Accuracy. I'd like to hit targets more than 10% of the time WITHOUT aiming at feet 2 yards from me..... make it 40% i'd take that at least wouldnt over power it.....though for being a gun that requires DLC and more sales... make it 75% accurate without feet aiming XD

[Skiller115]

This isn't Battlefield 3, it's Defiance.

EDIT: By the way.
FRC Magnum - Heavy damage per shot. This is guaranteed damage on contact instead of critical potential like a Wolfhound. It in comparison is more ammo efficient in situations in which landing critical hits is not realistic.

FRC Nomad SMG - Large base magazine size. VOT Pulser variants have around 60ish base.

FRC Particle Scattergun - Charge weapons can kill players instantly. You would also do well to compare a Combat Shotgun to another Combat Shotgun and not a Sawed Off like a Zagger (3m Falloff range).

FRC Heavy Scattergun - Lower damage than Birdshot Pump but higher fire rate. Compare this to the Slugger (which recently had its Accuracy fixed) which is a hit or miss weapon.

FRC Birdshot Pump - More damage than Scattergun but lower Fire Rate. Compare this to the Slugger (which recently had its Accuracy fixed) which is a hit or miss weapon.

VBI PAS Tornado - Charge weapon. This should be a Combat Shotgun iirc.

VBI Haar - Another Charge weapon, see explanation above about Charge weapons.

Just because you feel that a weapon is weak doesn't mean it can't serve a specific purpose of some sort. The only super weak weapon on this list is the FRC Nomad SMG, because it's the worst of two different SMGs. Naming 4 FRC weapon types as weak and calling for change doesn't negate the other viable FRC weapons (e.g. Quick Repeater, SAW, Big Boomer, Assault Carbine) that exist. You need to look at EVERYTHING instead of just picking and choosing what makes your argument sound best.

Good luck in your crusade for equality.

The stats says they are weak and with DLC Nomad is completely useless! Nice attempt to sell me on the FRC Magnum! I bet you couldn't tell me anything good about that gun with a straight face!
You must be using your guns on newbs because those are the only players that die in one hit from a PAS or Particle Scattergun!

[Skiller115]

I just think this thread is funny, I'm a shotgun user, all kinds every kind. And most of the people on PS3/NA i chat with will tell you, I rock an oj FRC Bezerker Shotgun with Spinal Tap synergy and oj crit Sov Slugger....and I use my Bezerker most of the time, it's a monster in my setup!!! Sov Slugger is there for those pesky heavy shielded foes...

there are plenty of GOOD FRC guns out there not only do each gun has their strengths but each Manufacturer has their strengthy guns....
FRC Bezerker Shotgun (with Spinal Tap) this is just a barrage of lifestealing goodness - just saying.
FRC Big Boomer enough said here. LOL
FRC TeleSpanner was THE only BMG i've seen prepatched to have 0% charges on both Heal & DMG or even a negative% charge that actually refills you BMG.
FRC Heavy Assault Carbines with Stalker are a cool substitute to snipers if one doesn't like snipers ...and i can safely say i enjoy time to time tinkering with these unique guns for the hell of it.
FRC Saws are solid LMGs if you can handle a big recoil or get one with a more tamed kick.

So tell me.... does FRC "line up" really deserve a buff.... I say no. Do some genres of guns need a little TLC... sure!

only specific gun i'd like to see get a buff... VOLGE LIGHTNING RIFLE... even if was a small increase to Accuracy. I'd like to hit targets more than 10% of the time WITHOUT aiming at feet 2 yards from me..... make it 40% i'd take that at least wouldnt over power it.....though for being a gun that requires DLC and more sales... make it 75% accurate without feet aiming XD

I'm guessing you didn't read the first page?

[Akira Kimekawa]

The stats says they are weak and with DLC Nomad is completely useless!

well... just hope you dont get one then! XD

all you have to do, try and get better loot, it's all a gamble. What if you went to the Casino and whine, why dont i win something everytime i pull the lever on the slots, or why dont i get anything rolling snake eyes... etc.

Why does Defiance have to comform to you!? -_- ....i'm done here.

[Akira Kimekawa]

I'm guessing you didn't read the first page?

going by the first thing I read. "Thread: Please buff FRC line of weapons!"

give it a rest.... you lost.

EDIT: i'll repost what I said "not only do each gun has their strengths but each Manufacturer has their strengthy guns...." & "Why does Defiance have to comform to you!? -_- ....i'm done here."

[Smokey Black]

Frcs are good guns when your low/mid ego. They are cool then you progress and earn the emc -xar22. Frc cabin is cool till you get a frontier battle rifle. Frc big boomer, all good until you get a TN one..I still see many high ego players using their FRC Big Boomers to this day.