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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana View Post
    All it takes is a good look at the sets and costumes to know Defiance was being produced on a shoestring.
    Which is kind of appropriate, when one takes a minute of two thinking about it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by PithHelmetIrath View Post
    Which is kind of appropriate, when one takes a minute of two thinking about it..
    Where they spent well was in casting: I found MOST of the characterizations to be engaging and very well done.
    The only truly "weak" character (imo) is Alak. But even that is a qualified "weak". As the character is a bit if a spoiled, first-born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana View Post
    Where they spent well was in casting: I found MOST of the characterizations to be engaging and very well done.
    The only truly "weak" character (imo) is Alak. But even that is a qualified "weak". As the character is a bit if a spoiled, first-born.
    Quite true, I agree completely. I was just making a comical stab at similarities between the show's (small) budget, and the game's (small) budget..

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctordabs View Post
    firely had 1 incomplete season - your statement is invalid.

    Firefly --- Cowboy/space/frontier survival mash-up.
    Defiance --- Cowboy/space-age/frontier survival mash-up.

    Malcolm Reynolds --- Space-age cowboy war veteran type with a heart of gold.
    Joshua Nolan --- Space-age cowboy war veteran type with a heart of gold.

    Firefly --- Genre mash-up that only survived one season and is now the single greatest cult classic in the history of television. Horrendously misunderstood by Fox Network.
    Defiance --- Genre mash-up that has staggered for three seasons; durability yet to be determined. SyFy had big plans and failed outright to carry through on any of them.

    And I could sit here and hold forth at length about character comparisions, but it's late in the afternoon here and I've got to pick up my kid from school.

    So tell me dabs---in your infinite wisdom---what did I miss?

    I stand by my assertions. You're dismissed, troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhorse1000 View Post
    Honestly? This show will be remembered as "Firefly 2.0"....in which the supposedly supporting network STILL couldn't figure out what to do with a show that would be a long-lasting hit...but died due to malnourishment and neglect from the network.
    Wait, which show is Firefly 2.0? Defiance lasted three full seasons before the writers decided to put the main character on a bus. Dark Matter and Killjoys are being renewed for second seasons. Firefly didn't even get to finish its first season before the network killed it. If any show deserves the distinction of being "Firefly 2.0", it's Jake 2.0 (no pun intended), which I strongly recommend watching if you haven't seen it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana View Post
    Where they spent well was in casting: I found MOST of the characterizations to be engaging and very well done. The only truly "weak" character (imo) is Alak. But even that is a qualified "weak". As the character is a bit if a spoiled, first-born.
    They did it right by bringing in at least a couple of faces that were familiar to sci-fi genre fans, in the form of Jaime Murray, Julie Benz, and Mia Kirshner (who I remember from "The Crow: City of Angels). Graham Greene was probably intended as the older-range actor and cast anchor, in a manner similiar to Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell in "Battlestar Galactica". I personally didn't know anything about Grant Bowler before the show, but I do now; he was much bigger in Australia than he was here. I remembered Tony Curran from "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" and the second "Underworld" movie. Didn't know anything about Jesse Rath, Nicole Munoz, or Trenna Keating.

    I do now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrisaLover View Post
    Wait, which show is Firefly 2.0? Defiance lasted three full seasons before the writers decided to put the main character on a bus. Dark Matter and Killjoys are being renewed for second seasons. Firefly didn't even get to finish its first season before the network killed it. If any show deserves the distinction of being "Firefly 2.0", it's Jake 2.0 (no pun intended), which I strongly recommend watching if you haven't seen it.

    See my post above.

    EDIT: Jake 2.0? You mean that one about the teenager with a computer inside his head? That's been done before too---John Schuck ("MASH" motion picture and the Klingon Ambassador in a couple of the "Star Trek" movies) had a one-season only series in the early '80's with that concept. Your comparison is so far out in left field you're not even in the ball park anymore. Try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithova View Post
    edited to add - Melissa O'Neil (Two) from Dark Matter is so fine, initially watched the first episode to watch her but got hooked into the show.
    Really? My Dark Matter crush is Five, the stowaway. For one thing, I like girls with obviously unnatural hair colors. But more importantly, she's a medical and tech genius, and I LOVE smart/nerdy girls.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psyclown View Post
    the writers shouldn't have resolved this "Devouring Mother" plot (and the whole spaceship-thing buried beneath defiance / Irisa's archtech inside of her) at the end of season 1
    It wasn't resolved until the end of season 2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psyclown View Post
    instead they probably should have let it be a background plot, recurring through the next seasons of the show. You know... Because Season 2.
    I think you mean season 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Warhorse1000 View Post
    Firefly --- Cowboy/space/frontier survival mash-up.
    Defiance --- Cowboy/space-age/frontier survival mash-up.

    Malcolm Reynolds --- Space-age cowboy war veteran type with a heart of gold.
    Joshua Nolan --- Space-age cowboy war veteran type with a heart of gold.
    I'm sorry but you can't list "cowboy" and "frontier survival" as two different things. Also, Defiance was post-apocalyptic, not space-age. They couldn't even fly aircraft above a certain altitude because of how screwed-up the atmosphere had become. In this sense, Defiance is far more comparable to Revolution (complete with an Evil Republic as a major antagonist) or The Walking Dead (complete with a Sheriff as the main character).

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    Casey's caustic replies aside: There are lines that can be drawn from Firefly to the shows we are discussing left,right and centre.
    My only true comparison for Defiance is the similarity between Joshua Nolan and Malcolm Reynolds.
    There is no other true correlation imo.
    What Joss Whedon DID introduce into the genre with Firefly/Serenity, was that you can have multiple characters with compelling histories to be explored.
    This little device alone can give a well written show extra legs...if the writers are up to the task.
    We could go on, and on with comparisons between different shows; but ultimately that's a fool's game.
    While this present crop of "B" level sci Fi is entertaining, there is plenty of fare out there of even higher calbre.
    Humans really got my attention, and Orphan Black remains a big favourite.
    As a matter of fact: I think I'll watch Farscape: The Peacekeeper Wars again...while building a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhorse1000 View Post
    Jake 2.0? You mean that one about the teenager with a computer inside his head?
    LOL no, I mean the one with the NSA agent with nanites in his bloodstream.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana View Post
    My only true comparison for Defiance is the similarity between Joshua Nolan and Malcolm Reynolds.
    There is no other true correlation imo.
    Except for the vaguely "wild west in the future" theme, and what you say next:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana View Post
    What Joss Whedon DID introduce into the genre with Firefly/Serenity, was that you can have multiple characters with compelling histories to be explored.
    Nah, that had been around at least as far back as Star Trek: TNG.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana View Post
    I think I'll watch Farscape: The Peacekeeper Wars again...
    Farscape ceased to be worth watching by the time the opening credits started to play on "Self-Inflicted Wounds, part 1". That was the exact moment at which it simply stopped making any sense whatsoever and went into full Damon Lindelof mode. Replacing zen plant girl with irritating princess ***** didn't help, either.

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