Well. Dark Matter and Killjoys renewed. Defiance...

[Sea_Jay]

Actually, I think the reverse, now they could have two shows!
DEFIANCE and um, OMEC IN SPACE! or whatever they want to call the brand new adventures of Nolan and Doc Yewll...

I just love the characters: Nolan, Badass to Omec Savior, Datak Tarr - crime boss to town hero, Doc Yewll (& her clones) always with witty comebacks, Berlin -- back from the brink! I thought they were going to write her out completely, I'm glad she's back...
and all the rest of the cast - outstanding job well done!

I do feel bad for all those characters who died, but they mostly got a good death - Game of Thrones Style.

And the Need/Want - wow, they could open that as a bar Franchise nationwide
(um, sorry boys, no brothel - but try the popcorn shrimp or Hellbug Hot Wings!)

Season 3 was just amazing, really - best yet, and Always surprising me with out the expected plot twists...

Season 4 will be AWESOME - Double Dose of Doc Yewll - Doc in Space, Doc's Clone rescued by Irisa on Earth.
As an Indogene clone, will she remember everything up to the point she was cloned ? (back when her imprint was stolen from her head by the Omec)?

Andromeda has multiple Rommies, all played by ‎Lexa Doig expertly... (More recently seen on Continuum, playing Liber8 member Sonya Valentine .)

So I hope we can have some Doc Yewll in Season 4 to deliver more one-liner punch lines, pow! :-)

As soon as they announce pre-season sales of season 4, I'm buying it.
The funny thing is I don't even get 'SyFy' -
I first found DEFIANCE the TV show on Google Play, and bought the game in the 'clearance' section at a retail store.

I loved the show ever since - the most bold SciFi since Star Trek, and it goes Way farther than Star Trek ever did,
DEFIANCE ain't afraid to pull out some 'gansta' azz sheet' as Ramtak would say...again, if he was still alive in the show!

( Thank you to Lee Tergesen for giving a 10 star performance as Ramtak - baddest of the bad guys ever ! )

Wow, when I think of season 3, I look forward to more DEFIANCE !!!

[IrisaLover]

Actually, I think the reverse, now they could have two shows!
DEFIANCE and um, OMEC IN SPACE! or whatever they want to call the brand new adventures of Nolan and Doc Yewll...

That... could actually work! However, I don't really know what you could do with a show that has literally one permanent cast member while the rest of the crew is in stasis. I guess Nolan might have to make some new friends?

Season 3 was just amazing, really - best yet, and Always surprising me with out the expected plot twists...

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The first two seasons were brilliant. A mystery was set up in the pilot episode, and it turned out to be merely the first piece in a puzzle that took 2 seasons to finish, at the end of which everything fell into place and made perfect sense. then in season 3, the writers clearly lost their shat. Irisa was ruined as a character and her history retconned in the worst possible way (and in a way that directly contradicted The Lost Ones), then she got herself together and we got one thoroughly awesome episode, then Nolan was ruined as a character (am I seriously expected to believe that a guy who had no problem being the Butcher of Yosemite will start PTSDing over the deaths of maybe 20 people under his command?), then we got the worst series finale since Battlestar Galactica. It was like the original writing team left and a bunch of people who knew absolutely nothing about the show were hired to replace them...

[Sea_Jay]

Well, the cast budget has been reduced, Killed off so far:
The Entire McCawley family (Rafe, Plar(?), Christi, Quetin, and his brother Luke)
The Two Omecs Kidnzi & T'evgin, Need/Want owner Kenya Rosewater,
the Tarr's Servant Girl Andina , E-REP Niles Pottinger, Deputy Tommy Lasalle,
ambassador Olfin Tennety, and many others (Ram Tak, former Law Keeper Garet Clancy,
former Mayor Nicolette Riordon, Mr. Birch and several miners and townspeople.)

Season 4s budget would include the surviving cast, added new players, special effects, production crew, etc.

Considering the long list of characters who died in seasons 1, 2, and 3 - they have either: a smaller production cost, or more wiggle room with budget to add new characters, such as more aliens or waking up some Omec from their status chambers. Or how about some robots?
Other than the Volge, (and bioengineered Indogene) - we haven't seen any new cyborgs or full out robots / Votanis androids yet...

Nolan and Doc Yewll got a great send off - if they are out of the main story line too, but might be revisited later in what I hope are surprising plot twists, new special effects on a new planet, etc.

Sleeping but almost done growing Doc Yewll last clone is featured in many scenes right up to the very end of Season 3 - at the launch bay for the Omec transport pods - yup - right where Kidnzi was growing her copies for food...
The town of DEFIANCE needs it's doctor back, and the very last clone is lucky to escape the Omec dinner menu, as the main course!

I look forward to them waking her up.

More interesting is if SyFy and TRION KEEP THEIR PROMISE and integrate the two shows back together -
Van Bach is presumed to be Alive and well, since Berlin returned unharmed, and still plenty of alien tech to harvest and put to good use...
Lots of the Omec Tech got left behind!
Maybe a pod or two to transport people for a new adventure on a damaged Ark ship in orbit, or definately some drones that continue to auto-mine up Gulanite.

Trion BITS sales, and DVD / BluRay sales of season 3 will have an impact on Season 4.

I mean it when I say Defiance is the most Amazing Science Fiction since Star Trek,
and nurtured it can continue to grow and have more long term sales and profits.
They need to do more merchandising - selling goodies on ThinkGeek.

ThinkGeek has loads of Firefly stuff, Star Trek and Star Wars stuff, Dr. Who, Fallout 3, Skyrim, and many other SciFi shows too !

DEFIANCE should sell some stuff too - especially little Plush hellbugs (seen on the show!)
some drinking glasses from the Need/Want, Van Bach employee T-Shirts and Hoodies
(think geek sells Firefly BlueSun items, Skyrim, and New California Republic & Vault-Tec items this way.)

And absolutely, the collector's edition of GODDESS OF THE BADLANDS! in paperback !

Considering Defiance has higher ratings than one of the other shows they renewed, and
a very dramatic third season, things are looking 'up' for season 4 - up in space!
Where oh where do the Omec go ???

[Tex_Arcana]

LOL no, I mean the one with the NSA agent with nanites in his bloodstream.



Except for the vaguely "wild west in the future" theme, and what you say next:



Nah, that had been around at least as far back as Star Trek: TNG.



Farscape ceased to be worth watching by the time the opening credits started to play on "Self-Inflicted Wounds, part 1". That was the exact moment at which it simply stopped making any sense whatsoever and went into full Damon Lindelof mode. Replacing zen plant girl with irritating princess ***** didn't help, either.

Star Trek:TNG introduced a level of production value onto the genre.
But it DID take Joss Whedon to demonstrate the ability to have multiple strong characters in the same episode. Each with their own part to play.
TNG was still of the " one character's story per episode" type.
The only show that I know of from that era which did have a multiple-arc within an episode formula was Babylon 5.
And even that is qualified.
In any case: We did not see the real advent of multiple arcs within an episode until just after the death of Firefly.
When studio execs finally realised that the old formula of focussing on an avatar character (*ahem* Jean Luc Picard), and having other characters as satellites to that character was outdated.
We are seeing an increasing amount of multiple-arc EPISODES these days. Not just seasons.
And I really feel we have Joss Whedon, and a handful of others for that.
Oh, and Farscape never stopped making sense.
Also: The reason they replaced the character of Pa'u Zotoh Zhaan was due to actress Virginia Hey was suffering from ill effects from the extensive makeup required for the role. Life threatening effects...

[Tex_Arcana]

Star Trek:TNG introduced a level of production value onto the genre.
But it DID take Joss Whedon to demonstrate the ability to have multiple strong characters in the same episode. Each with their own part to play.
TNG was still of the " one character's story per episode" type.
The only show that I know of from that era which did have a multiple-arc within an episode formula was Babylon 5.
And even that is qualified.
In any case: We did not see the real advent of multiple arcs within an episode until just after the death of Firefly.
When studio execs finally realised that the old formula of focussing on an avatar character (*ahem* Jean Luc Picard), and having other characters as satellites to that character was outdated.
We are seeing an increasing amount of multiple-arc EPISODES these days. Not just seasons.
And I really feel we have Joss Whedon, and a handful of others for that.
Oh, and Farscape never stopped making sense.
Also: The reason they replaced the character of Pa'u Zotoh Zhaan was due to actress Virginia Hey was suffering from ill effects from the extensive makeup required for the role. Life threatening effects...

Let me add that I found Nolan's development through Season 3 to be utterly believable: PTSD is a chronic problem in combat Vets. And for Nolan to NOT suffer from some form of it was even MORE unbelievable.
The only problem I have with Season 3 is that it looks like the end.

[Tex_Arcana]

I have this scenario in mind for mid season 4:
The Omec ship returns to Earth orbit, and Nolan's voice transmits planet wide, "All your base belong to us"...

[irisawifi]

Yeah I can't imagine Defiance being an expensive show to produce... but, seriously I hope they renew it for another season. Yeah Dark Matter and Killjoys are good shows but Defiance really brought an entire world to life IMO it's the most interesting and more unique show out of the three.

As mentioned above, maybe someone can get an EGO implant and they can spice up the show a little more to make it more exciting. I feel like that last episode could be a series finale, but hopefully not because its kind of weird how Nolan is left on his own in space now.. would be interesting to see what life is like down on Defiance without him...

The VFX are expensive.

I do wish there was more competition in scifi channels. I'm sure syfy makes more than enough with all their awesome reality shows, shark movies and wrestling. CW does give them a run for their money in the scifi dept .. and that's pretty sad. lol

[irisawifi]

I would point out to SyFy that if they can't afford to produce Defiance they should get out of the business.
Kevin Murphy mentions in his last interview how production staff were going to set-selloffs from other shows and getting materials for free.
All it takes is a good look at the sets and costumes to know Defiance was being produced on a shoestring.

AGREED. smh

[irisawifi]

That... could actually work! However, I don't really know what you could do with a show that has literally one permanent cast member while the rest of the crew is in stasis. I guess Nolan might have to make some new friends?



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The first two seasons were brilliant. A mystery was set up in the pilot episode, and it turned out to be merely the first piece in a puzzle that took 2 seasons to finish, at the end of which everything fell into place and made perfect sense. then in season 3, the writers clearly lost their shat. Irisa was ruined as a character and her history retconned in the worst possible way (and in a way that directly contradicted The Lost Ones), then she got herself together and we got one thoroughly awesome episode, then Nolan was ruined as a character (am I seriously expected to believe that a guy who had no problem being the Butcher of Yosemite will start PTSDing over the deaths of maybe 20 people under his command?), then we got the worst series finale since Battlestar Galactica. It was like the original writing team left and a bunch of people who knew absolutely nothing about the show were hired to replace them...

I have to disagree about Irisa. She has grown so much and I'm so proud of her development. No more emo-angry teen angst. She's much more mature and compassionate. I really love her even more after S3.

Nolan feeling guilt over the death of his very small militia is not far-fetched, imo. After years of fighting and being a "butcher", having to take a risk with people who were clearly not military or thoroughly/properly trained, would definitely take a toll on him. I liked to see that it affected him. It showed his human side.

I loved the ending. Nolan's dream came true. Heck, his dream is MY dream, so I was super happy for the character. If we get a S4, it would be awesome to see what he encounters, how the travel changes him, the reunion, etc.

[irisawifi]

I have this scenario in mind for mid season 4:
The Omec ship returns to Earth orbit, and Nolan's voice transmits planet wide, "All your base belong to us"...

He would say that and I would be ROFLMAO D