Well. Dark Matter and Killjoys renewed. Defiance...

[PithHelmetIrath]

I have this scenario in mind for mid season 4:
The Omec ship returns to Earth orbit, and Nolan's voice transmits planet wide, "All your base belong to us"...

I'd buy that for a dollar. Great idea!!

[Sea_Jay]

As far as Irisa is concerned, Nolan could just dump all the purple people eaters in the nearest star... sizzle ! :-)

Or he could really play nice and drop the Omec off on a Water World.
80% oceans, big polar freeze zones, very little land mass.
The Omec will learn to love Sushi & seaweed clothing, and never be trouble again.

Nolan keeps the ship and sleeper pods, it can be run by him & Doc Yewll.
Find Fuel and return to Earth, they found it once, so it is already in the ships Navigation computer.

Use the Pods to bring up a crew, use the ship to salvage any Terraforming tech still in orbit.
Reprogram the terraforming tech to make nice fields of grasslands, forests of fruit trees, and helpful assortments of medicinal wildflowers...

Then ZAP the bad lands and fix up the wasteland regions of Earth - a real repair job.

Of course by the time he got back to Earth, Many years have past,
maybe hundreds or thousands of years (a few months to Nolan and Doc Yewll).

They can still use the same actors, just dress them up in new alien character costumes.
Same people but new rubber faces. Job security. And a new civilization...
One based on whatever emerged from the remains of the E-Rep, Votan Collective, and Defiance...

Could be a totally new show, and still very entertaining.

To have that ship, and all that power.
Nolan would never turn his back on Earth.

I couldn't.
I'd do everything I could to help heal the planet ! :-)

[squidgod2000]

This pic should tell you all you need to know about Defiance's production budget.

Wouldn't even do some half-assed Sensoth make-up on an extra. They just took the top-half of some sh*tty Planet of the Apes prop and tied it to a chair. Couldn't even afford to rent the legs.

[NullWolf]

If I remember right it was mentioned before they only had 2 or 3 actual sensoth costumes

[Lost in Space]

Sensoths,SyFy must have found bigfoot. They really should have told us they had one.

[IrisaLover]

Star Trek:TNG introduced a level of production value onto the genre. But it DID take Joss Whedon to demonstrate the ability to have multiple strong characters in the same episode. Each with their own part to play.

Logical fallacy detected: goalpost-moving. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

And even with these newly moved goalposts, you're still wrong. It's been a long time since I watched Babylon 5, but I did a DS9 marathon (yes, all 7 seasons) not too many years ago and that one definitely qualifies, as does Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda... or at least its first couple of seasons.

The only show that I know of from that era which did have a multiple-arc within an episode formula was Babylon 5.
And even that is qualified.
In any case: We did not see the real advent of multiple arcs within an episode until just after the death of Firefly...
We are seeing an increasing amount of multiple-arc EPISODES these days.

Oh wow, you didn't even wait for me to respond before you moved the goalposts AGAIN.

And you're wrong AGAIN, because DS9 and Voyager. DS9 did the two-plot episode trick as early as the first-season episode "A Man Alone" (airdate January 17, 1993), in which one plot is about Odo being framed for murder and the other is about Keiko getting a new hobby as a classroom teacher.

Oh, and Farscape never stopped making sense.

That is demonstrably false. The cold opening to "Self-inflicted wounds, part 1" is comparable to The Architect's speech at the end of The Matrix Reloaded; the only difference is that if you listen to The Architect's speech a few dozen times, and maybe rewatch the trilogy once or twice, you might eventually figure out what the hell he's talking about, whereas the opening to Self-Inflicted Wounds will never, ever make more sense than the ramblings of a schizophrenic hobo. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that script was written under the influence of acid or mushrooms.

Also: The reason they replaced the character of Pa'u Zotoh Zhaan was due to actress Virginia Hey was suffering from ill effects from the extensive makeup required for the role. Life threatening effects...

I already knew that. I didn't mention it for the same reason you shouldn't have: it's absolutely irrelevant.

Let me add that I found Nolan's development through Season 3 to be utterly believable: PTSD is a chronic problem in combat Vets.

Let me clarify. The problem is not that he suffered PTSD. The problem is that he suffered PTSD after the loss of only 20-ish people under his command BUT NOT after earlier, much more traumatic events, like Yosemite and Fort Defiance. The show spent two seasons establishing Nolan as the kind of guy who had become quite callous about killing people or getting them killed, and THEN he spent the first half of season 3 trying to snap Irisa out of her funk by explaining that she didn't kill anyone. THAT is why his treatment at the end of Season 3 ruined him as a character.

And for Nolan to NOT suffer from some form of it was even MORE unbelievable.

Demonstrably false. I have a friend who is actually in the Army and has seen combat in Afghanistan. He explained to me that there is a huge difference between post-traumatic stress and post-traumatic stress disorder. Post-traumatic stress is an extremely normal thing, but in most people, it fades away after a few days. When it doesn't fade away, it becomes PTSD, but that's the exception, not the rule.

[Wurm]

DS9 was great storytelling. Voyager was the weakest Star Trek spin-off yet.

And as far as Nolan goes, the loss of the 20 was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Tex_Arcana]

DS9 was great storytelling. Voyager was the weakest Star Trek spin-off yet.

And as far as Nolan goes, the loss of the 20 was the straw that broke the camel's back.

The most disappointing thing I experienced was Babylon 5 airing during the same period as DS9.
While it had it's weak points, B5 was head and shoulders better show than DS9.
I still cannot make it through the entire DS9 library. It bores me to death.

[Wurm]

The most disappointing thing I experienced was Babylon 5 airing during the same period as DS9.
While it had it's weak points, B5 was head and shoulders better show than DS9.
I still cannot make it through the entire DS9 library. It bores me to death.

Never got into B5, that was my wife's show. I was more into Lexx. I will admit however that Eva Habermann had a lot to do with my interest in that show.

[irisawifi]

And as far as Nolan goes, the loss of the 20 was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Exactly. /10char