Armistice Premium Elite Lock Box Missing Currency

[Dragon06]

I pulled maybe 60 of these boxes during the event and received no JPs. Got about 5 OJs, nothing special, which is about the same rate from the key bought boxes. What this has taught me, not to spend money on these boxes, 60 premium elite boxes represents around $165 real money. And after reading that people pulled 160 boxes or so and received no JPs, there is no way that I am throwing money away. I might buy a few specialty boxes if I like the synergy or need mods. But not buy elite boxes. I have better luck in Vegas with slot machines. In all my playing I have only pulled 2 JP, both Omec shields from any boxes bought with keys or bits. Between the RNG and drop rates, I see no reason to spend money chasing items that have no real world value. I have supported the game by buying it when it first came out, bought all the DLCs, upgraded to the Ultimate Edition, and have been a Patron. I think I have supported the game. I fully understand that I am not entitled to anything, but odds of success are so bad everyone needs to ask why spend money. Trion needs to consider this and hopefully take action to provide a better player experience for those willing to support the game with money. Its just good business.

[Johnny Gatt]

I am not going to paste a lengthy quote but here is my opinion.

Customer perception is very important if you are trying to sell a product.

From customer point of view perception is reality.

If the customer perception is that the bit boxes are rigged, then the bit boxes are rigged, despite any statements to the contrary. The challenge for the developers is in how to overcome these perceptions. It would be foolish to rely on your statistics and numbers, even if they are valid, if customer perceptions are not swayed.

[Smokey Black]

As someone else who opened as many of the Armistice Elite lockboxes as anyone here I also did not get a jp. After it was revealed they were in fact premium elites all this does is reinforced how rare elite lockbox jps are.

[LOOKxATxTHISxI]

I am starting to believe the odds for oj's and jackpots are similar to the odds of a claw machine. Neither skill nor luck play any role in the capture of the goodies. One claw is always off except for 1 in x amount of attempts.

They may say there is no difference but my history since the beta dealing with my garbage luck drops will show that RNG is a factor if they choose to admit or not. I had a friend who started at launch who spent a couple hundred bucks and spent hours grinding for keys and did not get his first oj until over 2200 ego level. I was at nearly 1500 before my first oj drop in 2013.

If some of our RNG is not somehow borked, then why do I create a f2p mod mule and receive oj's and t4 mods in abundance? I have spent a ton of money on my main toon/alt toon and have received garbage drop after garbage drop. At one point in the latest event I was keeping track of drops and received 14 no nano berserker shottys/and 8 blaster pistols in a row as rewards. How is this random?

Have noticed a lot of shadey foreign players with multiple jackpots for trade, must be nice.

[Johnny Gatt]

I used to have decent rng until fall of 2014... then it was like someone flipped a switch.
I have gotten a few jps from 64 key elites, but never from premium elites
I have gotten 5 named guns total from drops in event arkfalls since fall 2014. That includes all toons on both consoles.

For those of you that know me, I do a lot of arkfalls during events. I play every day and have opened hundreds of elite boxes.

[hempman]

wayyy too many great posts to quote.

ill just say this Destro,you Have to look at it from Our side.
we play all the time,and we are the ones opening these boxes And the ones Playing At these Events.
and what everyones telling you is True.
some people will get Jps EVERY time,doesnt matter if they play 1 event or 20.
they somehow get one plop right in their lap.
and its not Random Not from Our point of View.

we also Been telling you about these Crates being Borked with dropping Identical weapons and just useless Junk Forever.
hell,ive sent you pics and Never got a reply......

and after pulling 3 Weeks worth of Super crates and getting NO ojs no t5 mods and hey No jps?
from this supposedly improved jp chance box??
surely you Have to understand why we are all in Disbelief?

we keep telling you this.
we bought a pvE adventure based game,
and you guys keep making it into a you must have this ITEM from the Bitstore Now!
Get the latest synergy!
play the same old same old daily bs but hey Buy this new item/weapon/mod/shield whatever....

when all we want is to have Fun,and yeah sure collect or buy some stuff from your store sure why not.
BUT,we have to feel like we are getting Any kind of value from your stuff,and lately,that isnt happening.
sure hope you understand where we are coming from.

would really like to see the game grow to potential instead of being a cash grab every month.....
theres this Huge map that could be Chock full of new stuff to do...why not Go there??

[kkdubz]

So, I feel like there needs to be someone on the other side of this but contributing to the whole. Hopefully I can do that.

My GT is Kkdubz25, and I joined defiance approximately 1 month before free to play came into effect. To try to summarize a very lengthy argument, I am more surprised when I don't pull an OJ then when I do. I recently came back from a long hiatus from the game, not because of the game itself, but because of this thing called life. However, I came back with about a week and a half left into this new armistice event. Now I could sit here and talk about all the OJ's I got, and how I got 3 JP's from the event, and didn't even do anywhere near as many as these vet players because I only had half the event, but there is one very specific instance I would like to bring up. After a Christmas Warmaster, I was awarded with two, YES TWO, OJ eternal Mazu blast rifles. One was fire, one was electric. You can check my account, and see that this is true. Anyways, I've asked myself, how probable is it to pull not one, but TWO oj mazus from this one Christmas warmaster. Some people claim that it wasn't even possible, but first time for everything. But that's NOT the bizarre part. Directly after getting those two ojs, and bragging a bit to some of my clannies, because why not right, I pulled a T4 armistice box, using my 64 keys that I had. You wanna guess what happened then? I pulled the "Assault Rifle MKI". So, two ojs from a xmas warmaster, and now a named JP directly after this Warmaster, the best part? I wasn't even shocked.

When it comes to the vets talking about "rng" and this and that, when they bring up the "I know a guy that did this, and did that", I'm that guy. I've never had trouble pulling Oj's, and have gotten my hands on a decent bit Jp's also. There was even a time, (and again, any dev can go and look to see I'm not lying), that within $100 worth of the plate slicer box when it was here, as I have spent money on this game, within those $100 dollars worth of NFH boxes, I pulled 7 JPs, 6 of them, (or 5 tbh it's been a while), were Feasters.

Now I can't pinpoint an area where I can "prove" any RNG issues. But I can say this, as someone who has been in the game, I can personally see the difference between me pulling and a vet pulling boxes. I can give numerous amounts of examples, but that would be redundant to what has already been said. I will not point fingers, or name call, or try to start something. But I feel that this issue of "RNG" is in fact here between players.

If need be, I will offer up all the data I can and give the devs permission to go through my account to see what can be different. Because idk how two of my clannies who are vets can pull boxes out the yin-yang, and get so few ojs, and i get an OJ about 1 in every 4 64 key box. Sometimes better. All I'm saying is that this needs to be taken seriously and needs to be looked at with more dedication. I love my "RNG", but if I'd have to lose it to help prove these vet's stories, then I will gladly be a martyr for this cause.

I really hope the devs can look into this with a little more seriousness. I apologize if anyone sees this as "bragging" or in any negative light, I am just trying to shed light on the "other guy" in the game. Thank you for your time.

[hempman]

and there it is...
Ty Kkdubz.

well Destro?
weve been telling you somethings wack..now do you believe us?

[Bentu]

Yeah when my xbl runs out Bentu is going to be taking a gap year, well on xbox anyway.

[Xyorg]

any update on an ETA for those crates we should be receiving or is it a weekend off this week ?