You know what gun is OP? The surge bolter.

[Mrdr]

Yeah I'm the one that can kill them with any gun in my inventory but they can only kill me with only one weapon while in cloak.

Perhaps they can only kill you with one weapon because your shield + perks + syn + rig + chips combo is OP and should be nerfed. Do you consider this trolling or asking you a legitimate question for the sake of discussion?

[Mrdr]

Saying you have no skill using a gun that is a 1 hit kill on any part of the body is stating a fact.

No, it's stating a falsehood. Crit shots in pvp are super buffed compared to pve. A good sniper with high crit will one shot you if they hit you in the head...hell a good wolfhound variant will too. Consistent head shots, however, do take skill.

Just last night I got one shot killed by a blast rifle. I knocked him down with my quad before he even saw me, started firing at him with my own BR while he was getting up, as he stood up he fired once and killed me with his BR...don't know how, but he did. Don't think he even landed a headshot either and if he did, it shouldn't have been enough to one shot kill me. **** happens in pvp...

[Skiller115]

So disagreeing with something and using logic and reason is trolling? Sorry then. I'll just start getting all emotional, jump to conclusions, and call everyone a troll argues with me from now on.

Cloakers are invisible on the minimap but are not difficult to spot on screen. I've killed many of them and have been killed myself while cloaked--many times. Yes, I've used a surge bolter, and I always aimed with it...I've never used one like a shotgun, however, and just killed someone the other day who pulled that crap on me...hard to hip fire it at someone who moves around and is close enough to frag nade you I guess. I can't remember the last time I used a surge bolter though. I currently use a blast rifle and a sawed off/det/sniper, a pulser and a sawed off/det/sniper, or an ar and a sniper (when I feel like working on my long game...either use a semi or bolt action...depends on how I feel that day). The problem with sniping is that you're too far away from your opponent to give them a well earned teabag for their efforts after you killed them so I prefer to be closer.

Does my weapon choice matter at all in this discussion though? Facts are facts regardless.

Logic and reason are foreign subjects to you. You thought the original surge bolter wasn't op and that thing could oneshot Volge Viseras with a damage spike and overcharge, so yeah I take everything you say with a molecule of salt.

[Skiller115]

Saying you have no skill using a gun that is a 1 hit kill on any part of the body is stating a fact.

Lol you must have skipped this part?

No, it's stating a falsehood. Crit shots in pvp are super buffed compared to pve. A good sniper with high crit will one shot you if they hit you in the head...hell a good wolfhound variant will too. Consistent head shots, however, do take skill.

Just last night I got one shot killed by a blast rifle. I knocked him down with my quad before he even saw me, started firing at him with my own BR while he was getting up, as he stood up he fired once and killed me with his BR...don't know how, but he did. Don't think he even landed a headshot either and if he did, it shouldn't have been enough to one shot kill me. **** happens in pvp...

Lol at this nonsense surges can one hit you without a critical hit because I can see the kill feed
And I went from 100% health and shield to 0 and a surge bolter was in the kill feed. If you get a critical hit point with a surge it will show the head shot in the feed.

[Cobra Crusher]

I agree surges are op and used by cloakers who like to hide to get cheap easy kills. Quit camping and cap some points.

[Mrdr]

Logic and reason are foreign subjects to you. You thought the original surge bolter wasn't op and that thing could oneshot Volge Viseras with a damage spike and overcharge, so yeah I take everything you say with a molecule of salt.

I've never stated anything of that nature. You're either completely delusional or thinking of someone else.

[Mrdr]

Lol you must have skipped this part?

Nope it's exactly that part I was referring to. You clearly missed the part that the head is indeed included in any part of the body and that he didn't exclude the head in his statement. As mentioned several guns can one shot the head--a specific part of the body. Had he said "any gun that can one shot kill someone in any part of the body other than the head is OP" then you might actually have a point here. But if we're going to analyze the OPness of guns then we should analyze the OPness of loadouts and rigs. The combination of perks, rigs/chips, and shields can be just as OP as a gun, do you disagree?

Lol at this nonsense surges can one hit you without a critical hit because I can see the kill feed
And I went from 100% health and shield to 0 and a surge bolter was in the kill feed. If you get a critical hit point with a surge it will show the head shot in the feed.

So your counterpoint to the facts I stated (crits in pvp are buffed compared to pve and that a good sniper or wolfhound variant will one shot you if a headshot if they land a headshot) is that surge bolters blah blah blah? Way to avoid the topic in my post to push your own agenda.

As for your 100% to 0 with a surge in the kill feed, you're just repeating what you've already said throughout this thread. You'll also notice (if you read my post that is) that that's exactly what happened to me, but with a BR. As I already said, "**** happens in pvp..."

[The Lady]

My only issue with the surge is the guys who use it as a shotgun. I'm going to go out on a small limb here and say you guys use blur don't you? The cloak has a shimmer that is really hard to miss. As for the red dots anyone using a ego won't show up as a red dot, not even the overcharge guys.

[Kuroro]

The problem with surge bolters is its spread shots,you aim to a tree and a player dies 30 meters away

[The Lady]

I use a slipshot and it was nerfed a year or so back maybe they should do that with the surge also.