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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhanz View Post
    Smh can't even call them out... Its all good we all know who the big scammers are out here
    Nope, you cant name and shame in the forums for good reasons. It could be abused by unscrupulous players to damage a players rep or harass them just because they dont like them. but you can call them out in zone chat all day and night and chase them to all phases till you drive them off. Doing that increases the awareness of new players and reminds old players to be safe, because trion wont help.

    I only play on xbox so if you are on pc or ps3 youll need to ask a player on those platforms for information on scammers

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    Scamming saddens me. Hopefully none of the new players get ripped ofg

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    On NA and EU the classic is the items are put up and you accept the trade and they bounce 1 item out while very quickly clicking accept and you get shorted.

    So best advice is wait for them to accept the trade first and then in time you accept it. In other words give it at least 10 seconds or more before you accept it so they can't catch it and bounce out an item. It causes trades to take longer but at least no one gets ripped off.

    And if you find a player that won't trade that way then your better off not trading with them because they want to scam you or at least try to.

    BTW you can always message the trader/player and tell them exactly what you are going to do in the trade and why you are doing it that way and any honest trader/player should go along with it.

    And yes it is a Catch 22 situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverDoneOne View Post
    On NA and EU the classic is the items are put up and you accept the trade and they bounce 1 item out while very quickly clicking accept and you get shorted.

    So best advice is wait for them to accept the trade first and then in time you accept it. In other words give it at least 10 seconds or more before you accept it so they can't catch it and bounce out an item. It causes trades to take longer but at least no one gets ripped off.

    And if you find a player that won't trade that way then your better off not trading with them because they want to scam you or at least try to.

    BTW you can always message the trader/player and tell them exactly what you are going to do in the trade and why you are doing it that way and any honest trader/player should go along with it.

    And yes it is a Catch 22 situation
    I appreciate the info but it would be better if we didt teach new scammers.

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    Thank you for the information, never understood how scammers worked. This helps to me to know what to do on trades.

    Quote Originally Posted by OverDoneOne View Post
    On NA and EU the classic is the items are put up and you accept the trade and they bounce 1 item out while very quickly clicking accept and you get shorted.

    So best advice is wait for them to accept the trade first and then in time you accept it. In other words give it at least 10 seconds or more before you accept it so they can't catch it and bounce out an item. It causes trades to take longer but at least no one gets ripped off.

    And if you find a player that won't trade that way then your better off not trading with them because they want to scam you or at least try to.

    BTW you can always message the trader/player and tell them exactly what you are going to do in the trade and why you are doing it that way and any honest trader/player should go along with it.

    And yes it is a Catch 22 situation

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    No Way Around It

    Quote Originally Posted by Cygnus View Post
    I appreciate the info but it would be better if we didt teach new scammers.
    I know but there's no way around it, in order to teach others what to avoid you have to show how its done and in time the method wont be used anymore because its too well known and wont work due to that fact.

    BTW That's why my bottomline was; And yes it is a Catch 22 situation.
    Catch22 is just the short version of saying - Your Damed if You Do an Damed if You Don't

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    I want to clearly state that in no way do I condone or encourage scamming in any way, shape, or form.

    The only issues that get fixed these days are ones that impact whatever is currently driving revenue which is why problems with Ex Inanis (and before that the monthly events, and the Exchange) get hot fixes and problems with the DLCs, story content, pursuits, etc. continue to be ignored. The only time anything non-revenue related is addressed is when the entire community gets in an uproar about it and the number of people being scammed isn't high enough to convince everyone that they are at risk. So the truth of the matter is that as long as scamming remains at the levels that they are right now then the ludicrous "scamming is legal" policy will remain because it is cheaper and easier than actually fixing the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1p View Post
    ...The only real solution is for Trion to re-design the trades to be a 2 step process but unfortunately it's simpler for Trion to take the easy way out and declare that scamming is legal...
    It would be too much work to police manually for a human taskforce, but some kind of automated system should be possible. As you said a two step process could be an option.

    I believe there should be two modes for trading:

    1. The current trade method - for trading with trusted players, for gifts or low risk items etc.
    2. A more secure method for higher value items etc.

    The secure method could work a bit like the escrow services provided for purchases on eBay. Items/scrip would need to be locked in by both sides before the transaction is completed - both parties need to be happy with both offers. There could then be a count down timer (perhaps 1 minute), during which time players can only abort the whole trade (if they realise they made a mistake, for example) or let the transaction complete.

    Both modes could also do with enhancements (as many have said before: like trade chat in the trade window, being able to multi-select items from inventory in one go, having more than 10 items per trade etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light Energy View Post
    It would be too much work to police manually for a human taskforce, but some kind of automated system should be possible. As you said a two step process could be an option.

    I believe there should be two modes for trading:

    1. The current trade method - for trading with trusted players, for gifts or low risk items etc.
    2. A more secure method for higher value items etc.

    The secure method could work a bit like the escrow services provided for purchases on eBay. Items/scrip would need to be locked in by both sides before the transaction is completed - both parties need to be happy with both offers. There could then be a count down timer (perhaps 1 minute), during which time players can only abort the whole trade (if they realise they made a mistake, for example) or let the transaction complete.

    Both modes could also do with enhancements (as many have said before: like trade chat in the trade window, being able to multi-select items from inventory in one go, having more than 10 items per trade etc).
    The 2 step method that I'm talking about IS the automated way of doing it. Basically it's just:

    Step 1: Both players select the items that they are offering a "submit offer" button. This notifies the server what is being offered and nothing changes hands at this point.

    Step 2: The server forwards the offers to each player and displays the items in a new window that does not allow ANY changes. Both players can view the other's offer to verify ego, nano, mods, scrip, etc. and choose to either cancel or accept the trade. If either player cancels the trade then it must start over from the beginning (send a new trade invite). If both players accept then the server completes the trade.

    This eliminates lag scams and item swap-out scams because it locks the offers from both parties so that they can review them before it can be accepted.

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