LMG seems > everything else?

[WeirdManBoy]

Yeah I switch to the nade shotty on monarchs as well (Too bad they're bugged and don't work with the explosive skills, otherwise I'd use them all the time). But 500% crit pistol? Highest I've ever seen on a magnum is like 2.5 or 3 (can't remember). Is there some hidden stat I'm not seeing, or is it just the RNG that's been hating me?

[Dikard von Doom]

SAWs are very powerful in PvE due to their high DPS. The downside to them is that they have very high recoil and do not handle very well in CQC. They also suck in PvP (if your opponent knows what he's doing).

@ bold text, I beg to differ. While in theory, the SAW should be much less effective in CQC compared to shotguns or SMGs, that is just not what I'm experiencing. It takes 3-4 times as many shots with a Combat Shotgun (non-Clustershot) at close range to kill an enemy than a SAW. Also I'm skill level 5 with both classes (I should be a higher level with both but I just found out that once a weapon is at max xp you no longer gain xp towards that weapons class level.) The Combat Shotguns (non-Clustershot) and SMGs are the worst ammo eating guns in the game. SMGs should use a different type of ammo and not the same as ARs and LMGs anyways.

[v1ctor]

@ bold text, I beg to differ. While in theory, the SAW should be much less effective in CQC compared to shotguns or SMGs, that is just not what I'm experiencing. It takes 3-4 times as many shots with a Combat Shotgun (non-Clustershot) at close range than a SAW to kill a normal enemy.

The thing is in PVE enemies have predictable movement patterns whereas in PVP you have to fire from the hip to do dmg. Have you ever tried hitting a fast moving player in CQC with your SAW while firing from the hip?

[Greywolf]

Yeah I switch to the nade shotty on monarchs as well (Too bad they're bugged and don't work with the explosive skills, otherwise I'd use them all the time). But 500% crit pistol? Highest I've ever seen on a magnum is like 2.5 or 3 (can't remember). Is there some hidden stat I'm not seeing, or is it just the RNG that's been hating me?

I have recorded a movie of me pistoling down a dark matter apc crew, will have it uploaded soon, goes for about 1min, just gota download movie maker, will give you an idea

[Zyvaks]

my smg has 200 something damage
1.1 reload (faster when i stand still)
40 mag
and fires 5 bullets per button press

i've been using this gun for almost the entire game, i love it

[Dikard von Doom]

The thing is in PVE enemies have predictable movement patterns whereas in PVP you have to fire from the hip to do dmg. Have you ever tried hitting a fast moving player in CQC with your SAW while firing from the hip?

I don't PVP much in this game. That's not why I bought it. I bought it for the large scale PVE. If I want to PVP I'll play Battlefield. With that out of the way, yes I do hip shoot with the SAW. While it certainly isn't as accurate as a shotgun or SMG from the hip that really matter to me. 90% of the time I aim down the sight anyways. Even in CQC. (the SAW MUST have a sight for me.) I get critical kills all day, from any range with a SAW. 2-3 SAW bullets to the head > 48x8 3 times to part face/part body/part air with a combat shotgun. So, yeah, the SAW is better in CQC for me than a non-Clustershot shotgun or SMG. (Clustershot shotties are an excellent secondary for a SAW. The stagger it causes is great for stopping incoming fire at close range.) You probably have a different play style. That might be why you don't like it as much. To each their own really.

[Greywolf]

Ok so heres the movie using my pistol :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GF9d5a4lAI

Sorry about the quality, made it in like 5min so its pretty atrocious, but gives a good example i think.

Edit: Fighting elite dark matter apc crew

[WeirdManBoy]

Ok so heres the movie using my pistol :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GF9d5a4lAI

Sorry about the quality, made it in like 5min so its pretty atrocious, but gives a good example i think.

Edit: Fighting elite dark matter apc crew

Nice. Pure ownage right there.

[Bonesmasher]

For Raw dps when ammo does not matter nothing will beat a SMG.

(using no perks)
SMG
179 a shot
225 critical area hit

LMG Saw
404 a shot
550 critical area hit

by those numbers the SAW seems better.

Difference is SMG will fire off almost 200 rounds by the time a LMG Saw will get off 85 rounds and reload.

SMG has little to no recoil has a tight CoF hip fire and aimed.
only bad thing is short range(damage drop off) and eats ammo like a kid in a candy store.

LMG Saw is very forgiving with its slow firing speed you miss a few shots does not matter too much, SMG is not forgiving if you miss a few shot you just shot off 1/2 to 3/4th the clip.

[HansKisaragi]

SMG like El diablo is pretty menacing.