had such hi hopes

[juju2569]

high** Just saying.....

[6Strummer]

Comparing a real product (a car) that can't really change after production with a virtual one (a video game) that can be updated in one click is totally lame and truly doesn't deserve your opinion. It's not the same !!!

My thoughts exactly. He thinks he's making some kind of great and meaningful comparison there. Pretty funny, but not as funny as the thought process that says "The world needs to know when I'm quitting a video game and why."

I too had high hopes for Defiance, and I'm loving the game. See ya.

[Irres169]

RE: Broken Games

Please move StarHawk to #1 on that list. Thanks, best game that never was.

[RegularX]

high** Just saying.....

Yeah, I'm not surprised that someone who can't be bothered to finish a four letter word is rage quitting.

[watk]

why because I'm someone who payed full pr consumables and I didn't get what I paid for within 30 to 90 days I could get my full payment back. So if i wanna share a thought of mine along with my friend's feelings of dissatifaction I will that's my right. Why the hell are you in the thread evidently your happy with a half finished game, good for you. Go play the game. There's a huge difference between expressing frustration and whining but to know that you have to reach a certain level of intelligence.

[RegularX]

why because I'm someone who payed full pr consumables and I didn't get what I paid for within 30 to 90 days I could get my full payment back. So if i wanna share a thought of mine along with my friend's feelings of dissatifaction I will that's my right. Why the hell are you in the thread evidently your happy with a half finished game, good for you. Go play the game. There's a huge difference between expressing frustration and whining but to know that you have to reach a certain level of intelligence.

Google "grammar" and then come back and complain ... people just might take you seriously. If you can't be bothered to finish spelling a word, it is no wonder you can't be bothered to finish a game.

[juju2569]

Also do not speak of intelligence if you are not willing to take the time to type correctly.

[Seiox]

why because I'm someone who payed full pr consumables and I didn't get what I paid for within 30 to 90 days I could get my full payment back. So if i wanna share a thought of mine along with my friend's feelings of dissatifaction I will that's my right. Why the hell are you in the thread evidently your happy with a half finished game, good for you. Go play the game. There's a huge difference between expressing frustration and whining but to know that you have to reach a certain level of intelligence.

You're saying this like the company or other players even care about what ppl post in the forums. They don't just FYI

[supernet2]

When I purchase a single player game, yeah I expect it to work when I buy it. Purchase an MMO and be prepared to have a rough launch, lots of patching, and issues to arise.

Want examples?

Purchased Ultima Online, Everquest, World of Warcraft, Everquest 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Earth and Beyond, Anarchy Online, Guild Wars, DCUO, Star Wars The Old Republic, Lord of the Rings Online, City of Heroes, Aion, Final Fantasy XI, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, Star Trek Online, Rift, Dark Age of Camelot, Vanguard, Shadowbane, and many, many, more. I spent anywhere from $50 for standard editions and up to $150 for CEs and I can say that I have yet to see a perfect release of an MMO.

MMOs are ever changing worlds, with thousands of people playing them at once and at the same time. Not every single aspect of the game can be tested in alphas or betas, there is no way to catch every single bug, or every issue that may arise due to a players connection, system specs, etc. before a game releases. That is why developers have a dedicated team always working on the game so these issues can be fixed as quickly as possible. This dedicated team will also be the ones to make sure that new content gets delivered in a timely manner and fixes any issues that may arise when it does. This is the first MMO to come out on all 3 platforms at the same time. There are going to be different issues on each platform and there are going to be issues that hit all three.

Be patient and let Trion get the critical issues fixed! If you are not used to playing an MMO or a game on the scale of Defiance, than give it a few months and revisit your complaints later. If you aren't happy with the fixes or the game, than leave and don't look back. You aren't hurting anyone by coming on to the forums posting about how much you hate the game or are disappointed in what you got at release.

For every person that quits, another one is just buying the game because their friends are telling them how awesome this game is. You can't deny the fact that this game is only going to cost $60 (standard edition) and you never have to pay another dime for it, if you choose not to. You will always be able to get to the new areas and play with friends, unlike a few shooters I know that you can only play the new areas/maps with your friends if you buy them too.

Got me their with MMO launches having a rocky start, regardless i've yet to see the bang for my buck so to say. The genres to forgiving making it appealing to those who are also babied/catered to the simple means of death and little to no punishment (just script losses really? Thats its?)

Ontop of that, yes when i post i feel i do make a difference. Sure the games "constantly evolving" but its online only. How long will these servers hold, if at all stay active? Why not make it a offline based gameplay as well, with patch implemented so that users dont get shafted when servers go down for maintenance*? Switch it around so that it doesn't hamper peoples efforts to play a game in their freetime (and when the only free time they have tends to revolve around when their doing server maintenance) then their just basically screwed.

World of warcraft, ever quest 1 &2, DCUO, Anarchy online, Guild wars, war hammer online, are a few i noticed you mention. From my experience, during their launch it wasn't as horribly rocky as Defiance on launch day. Yes their were issues with getting the product out the door, and onto the shelves, alongside the server load was on a constant high, but their systems were up 24/7, and they were able to pipe out downloads, alongside enable people to play. They, "They" being the companies behind the few games i have mentioned didnt have hours apon hours of server maintenance.

This is the digital age, alota content is becoming more so digital and less so reliant on actual physical means (ex: Discs, etc...)
But at the same time i buy a game i expect it to be functional around the times im playing. Sure ill give defiance this much, its a fun game, but with its heavy instability, its ability to invoke red ring of death on xbox 360 (causing damage/harm to the console itself), alongside causing ps3 freezeups (code issues, not always related to over-heat), and pc over heat (over heats more often than usual(?), alongside causing tons of errors to pop up in the error console (on the pc side, assuming you run pc in debug mode under windows, or pay attention to the logs) on the windows os* you can see the damage it does (slightly) alongside how unstable it is (and how it causes processes to trip up). this leads to the file system and data saves/installs to lead to corruption after so many freezeups, where it will damage the data. Alas, the company doesn't take responsibility for those who were affected by what i mention, they just do what they can now. Im here to remind the community,

It takes tons of patience for a game to get better like this one. Dont waste your money on a semi functional game, until its actually functional, hold off on buying the game, if anything play using a friends disc, or on their console/pc. Get a rough idea if its worth the expense. Then let them judge, because as far as i've seen, i've paid $180+ on all 3 platform titles (ps3, xbox 360, and pc), and i didnt get anywhere near the worth of the "fun" value of the game. Ontop of that it was marketed in a limited testing area, and they used that to show how "epic it is" not really showing those who did pre-order, or those who are not PS+, xbox subscribers, or pc users what they would be getting into.

Ontop of that yes i can deny the fact, but i cannot justify the expense, if you pay for something thats broken, why pay at all? Sure the dev teams working on it, but how many hours, how much of my life, if at all any (or anyones actually) must we waste, and play the waiting game for the game to come back online, and become functional?

This is but one of many irks, and it shouldnt of been a released game if its unstable on this magnitude. Heck i've yet to see any pre-order content i've gotten on any 3 platforms (ps3, 360, or pc) interesting ehh? How long has it been since launch? 8 days, and 2hrs+ and counting, i've yet to see resolution (not on my end and im pretty sure many others as well). DONT go giving me the excuse the devs are doing their best, I KNOW THEY ARE, but its not good enough, its how many days and i alongside many others have yet to get pre-order, or ordered content. So of course ill be royally pissed*


*NOTE*

Please dont forget, theirs tons of other MMO's out their, that means companies can shadow, and overlook what went wrong with those games, and do their best to prevent issues of this magnitude for this game. Why wasn't this game taking in alota things that coulda been fixed up if they woulda pooled from the collective input not just from alpha and beta testing of defiance, but also looking at other MMOs, and how they had their ups and downs? You know, learn from other companies trial and error? (No need to answer) as im pretty sure only a dev of the game can really answer that question.

Thats just on my end though, i didnt mention the others who are impatient, and wanna beable to play a game they've paid for, but have yet to remotely have their worth or fun in playing for due to time constraints and various other things that would conflict with playing the game*

After all is defined as a game, regardless of its genre, it should beable to be played, not a wait around game.

End summary... Its a one time fee, for something that is barely functional or online. Sure its in the process of being resolved, but to those who do read my posts, dont waste your money on the game.

Dont buy it, look on the forums, and look at how many are still basically left in the dark, sol, or various other things about the game, before you decide to make a risky investment which could end up being a waste of your money altogether (sure its a one time fee, but is it worth it?!).

why because I'm someone who payed full pr consumables and I didn't get what I paid for within 30 to 90 days I could get my full payment back. So if i wanna share a thought of mine along with my friend's feelings of dissatifaction I will that's my right. Why the hell are you in the thread evidently your happy with a half finished game, good for you. Go play the game. There's a huge difference between expressing frustration and whining but to know that you have to reach a certain level of intelligence.

I feel your more than justified and entitled to your opinion and hatred for the lack of support, or more so, getting what you paid for. My best suggestion, is file a complaint ticket, and see if all goes well. If not well you can always do a ACH backcharge with your bank and get your money back (even though playstation, pc, and 360) say its not able to be done, blah blah blah terms, you as a customer are still entitled to what you pay for, weather digital, or physical. If they dont provide/resolve the problem in a timely manner, then your bank can do what is called a "ACH back Charge" basically refunding you, and then listing the companies(or affiliates) who sold you the digital or physical product as a untrustable source, which if enough people do ACH back charges with their banks due to lack of support, resolution, or replacement/refund of product (digital or physical) then eventually it can stack up to a potential lawsuit. That takes time though, but im pretty sure trion will get on the ball months later after these issues are not resolved. Regardless, use the BBB, after 14-30 days of pending on a response and 0 solution/resolution (reasonable of course) is made on Trions behalf in-regards to defiance (or your ingame purchases) you should beable to get a refund.

In my case it works, Zero online, CQ, and various other MMOs that haven't provided me with a digital product (or intentionally/unintentionally) didnt respond to me or the BBB and or my bank, resulted in my complete and total refund. On the + side, you can also have the bragging rights of such issue and make sure the company is reminded of how they dont care for the consumer(s) or neglect issues*.

I recall a actual lawsuit with TQ Digital entertainment i had in-regards to lack of response (over a year+) alongside not getting digital items purchased. I quickly won back $5 grand alongside forcing the TQ Digital company to respond. Of course i spent my money else-where but i learned something great... Dont let the companies screw you over, or "hide" behind the EULA or pretend they did something when intruth they didnt (weather intentional or not).

You're saying this like the company or other players even care about what ppl post in the forums. They don't just FYI

I feel the dudes entitled to his own opinion as are you. But then again thats your opinion thinking people dont care. I guess you forget, word of mouth, and what happens (especially with proof and not smoke and mirrors) tends to pull people away from a game, alongside showing the community how "helpful" folks like yourself are.

Trolling someone, putting them down, and repetitively stating their wrong. Hey, look on the upside, i par-take your fine with a half baked game.

Let me guess your another user who is fine with buying a BRAND NEW CAR< known to have faulty AC issues, and you still regardless and oblivious to the instability of the AC, say "oh well, im still paying full price with a faulty machine". I sorta feel like that, everytime i see someone agree with the game being perfectly fine, or giving me the "just wait for it to get better" statement.

[supernet2]

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