If a review factors graphics into account..

[Xavier Horovitz]

Just because consoles make more sales (usually because you guys add all console sales together and look at Physical sales of PC - not digital which the majority of sales take place) - doesnt meant you are better. Technically, you are a watered down version of what PC can deliver and PC usually suffers because of it. (As in - games dont push the limits a PC can go to and are scaled back to match the consoles power) Sucks, but more than likely will be changing when next gen consoles force developers to start programming games to run on multiple CPU cores - therefor allowing gamers on PC to fully utilize their PC again(the GPU's wont even matter because those consoles will be going live with old cards). Example - Dice (Battlefield 3/4) goes above and beyond for PC and holds nothing back - consoles are locked in at 30FPS and scaled down graphics and maps. PC gets it all - better graphics, better performance, larger maps, more players per map. You can tell me if you had the choice - (as in a nice gaming rig or a console) you would take the lesser. Most people who defend consoles are people who either dont have the knowledge to maintain/build/upgrade a gaming rig - or financially cant afford it (so they go with the cheap console that lasts for years without ever having to upgrade it)

As a Battlefield veteran (since 1942) who now exclusively plays Xbox, I think I know a bit about my favorite game series. PS4 and Nextbox are getting 60FPS and 64 player count on BF4

Anyway, I defend consoles because they have to be defended. So many PC people can't understand it's preference.

[Nallic]

While console sales might still be marginally ahead of PC sales at the moment, it has been pointed out by many sources that at the current rate PC game revenue will overtake console revenue by the end of this year (for example: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/97...rtake-consoles). In fact many respectable sources will point out that console gaming is dying (ie.: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/09/te...le-gaming-dead). I just think you should get some facts straight before claiming the console market is so much bigger than the PC market

As others pointed out; this game is a console port. It is sad to see that it is also a straight port without any kind of alterations or modifications that would allow the full use of the PC's functionality.

I really do understand the appeal of chilling in the sofa with a few friends and having a console game going. It's great fun. Love it myself. On the other hand, I also think the console community needs to understand the wishes from the PC community for games to go with the times. Getting watered down console ports of games that miss key PC functionality; or use outdated mechanics and technologies sucks. There's no other way to say it.

We buy our games just like you guys and are just as entitled as you guys to want these things. Now that certain graphical limitations need to be put in place for the game to run properly on consoles is understandable. However; considering these groups don't play together and don't really communicate in the game there's no reason not to take different steps during the development process and provide each group with a client optimized for their platform. It is however much easier, faster (and thus much cheaper development cost wise) to just not alter anything and port the game over from one platform to another ... That's sad as this game has a lot of potentional. (Xavier pointed out DICE and BF3, that is a prime example of how it should be done and how both markets can have a game that uses the full functionality of their platform.)

I hope that in the upcoming patches and updates we can see some platform specific changes. I totally accept that Xbox stability is the main focus now and I really hope for all you guys playing on Xbox that these issues get sorted as soon as possible. Considering the gravity of these issues; this should be Trion's main focus. I just hope that somewhere down the line, PC clients get DX11 support, proper chat, ability to change the field of depth and view, different camera angles, ...

[dantheo]

As a Battlefield veteran (since 1942) who now exclusively plays Xbox, I think I know a bit about my favorite game series. PS4 and Nextbox are getting 60FPS and 64 player count on BF4

Anyway, I defend consoles because they have to be defended. So many PC people can't understand it's preference.

I totally agree, and just had to jump in on some f these ridiculous comments ( Yes, my first post!)

I simply cannot stand platform elitism, it just comes across as blatant ***** envy. People who include detailed PC, sorry 'rig', stats in their sigs are simply trying to show they have a fatter wallet than others. What is that all about? Why do some PC users feel the need to bash console users with the incredibly repetitive 'Mine is bigger & better than yours'? Notice I say some, because unlike certain posters I could call out, I don't tar a whole player base with one brush.

I for one have been gaming for over 20 years (Yes, I'm old!). I own a PS3, Xbox & PC. Did I buy my Xbox because I can't afford the cost of a PC & the ongoing cost of upgrades? No! I bought it because it offers me a broader selection of games to play. Some games suit the PC, some suit consoles, and that is still true even despite the now ageing current console generation. Not to mention the fact that the introduction of Xbox live as an online networking infrastructure totally blew away the pain I used to face with online gaming on a PC.

Will I continue to upgrade my PC? Absolutely, because I love eye candy. Will I slag off console users as a somehow lower class of gamer, no, because I am intelligent and educated. Will I invest in the new console generation? Yes, because despite it being based on older GPU technology, the heavy optimisation and single platform development means it will easily compete with current PC technology, and will also introduce exciting new gaming concepts that just don't tend to appear in the PC world.

In short, just give the elitism a rest, it makes you look narrow minded and quite ridiculous. I like shiny graphics as much as the rest of us, but it's not my number one factor for game purchasing.

[RegularX]

I ditched PC gaming years ago, and have never looked back. OK, maybe I've occasionally looked over my shoulder at very, very pretty screenshots - especially as the PS3 has started showing age in comparison. Eye candy is indeed great, and if you want eye candy - PC is the place to go.

But I don't really feel like this game has been significantly reduced in the fun factor because I'm rolling around muddier textures than my PC brethern, or because it doesn't look like Crysis.

[BetaChapel]

I totally agree, and just had to jump in on some f these ridiculous comments ( Yes, my first post!)

I simply cannot stand platform elitism, it just comes across as blatant ***** envy. People who include detailed PC, sorry 'rig', stats in their sigs are simply trying to show they have a fatter wallet than others. What is that all about? Why do some PC users feel the need to bash console users with the incredibly repetitive 'Mine is bigger & better than yours'? Notice I say some, because unlike certain posters I could call out, I don't tar a whole player base with one brush.

I for one have been gaming for over 20 years (Yes, I'm old!). I own a PS3, Xbox & PC. Did I buy my Xbox because I can't afford the cost of a PC & the ongoing cost of upgrades? No! I bought it because it offers me a broader selection of games to play. Some games suit the PC, some suit consoles, and that is still true even despite the now ageing current console generation. Not to mention the fact that the introduction of Xbox live as an online networking infrastructure totally blew away the pain I used to face with online gaming on a PC.

Will I continue to upgrade my PC? Absolutely, because I love eye candy. Will I slag off console users as a somehow lower class of gamer, no, because I am intelligent and educated. Will I invest in the new console generation? Yes, because despite it being based on older GPU technology, the heavy optimisation and single platform development means it will easily compete with current PC technology, and will also introduce exciting new gaming concepts that just don't tend to appear in the PC world.

In short, just give the elitism a rest, it makes you look narrow minded and quite ridiculous. I like shiny graphics as much as the rest of us, but it's not my number one factor for game purchasing.

Its not elitism, its that people try to say statistically consoles are better - which they are not (especially because of sales? this means its just more mainstream and more accessible). I own consoles - i have a 360 in my closet, and 2 ps3's (1 in living room and 1 in bedroom) that are mostly for blu rays and netflix (and one is for my wife and one is for me basically).
I also have a custom gaming rig (which i guess i will leave the specs out for dantheo) but i can tell you its not as top of the line as most peoples - this is because of consoles as well - i have to dont have to upgrade as much because consoles hold back pc's as stated before.

Anyway the whole point is - when i have the choice on what to game on - its PC for the best experience - thats all im trying to say. Consoles are just trying to mimic what PC's already have and what people fail to realize is that they get excited about the "next gen" and they are just low end gaming rigs.

[RedSparrows]

I play on console and PC.

I like both. I dislike both in some ways, too.

I am capable of doing this without being a ******. Some of you should try harder.

[Drekor]

Trolling? The game was built 8 years ago? we are talking about standards for today's games.

Compare to EVE online. Also made around the same time, looks better than most games today.

Not really. It has it's own style. The new areas look gorgeous. The new character models and mobs look great too.

Yes and a child's finger painting is just another style too. That doesn't mean it isn't bad went looked at with a critical eye. However the fact you don't consider it bad is exactly the point. The graphics don't get in the way of anything and the gameplay is good enough that any loss on the graphics side is completely irrelevant.

Compare to something like Guild War 2 which is following a similar design concept of using it's own style so that they can get away with graphics that don't require anywhere near as much requirements from a computer and will last a decade without needing to be redone because of tech advancements in the field. However if you actually sit down and critique the graphics?

You move to something like Crysis and suddenly "OMG super amazing epic graphics" that can't be played on any computer a regular human being owns. Turning it down to settings that are reasonable takes away nearly all of that polish and makes things look even worse then WoW or GW2 stylized graphics so it's a huge waste of time and money.

[Obvious Lee]

lmfao someone needs some aloe after that one.

You know, I happen to have a gaming PC. I play on Xbox because that's where my friends are. See that word? "Friends". Foreign concept, eh?

-Signed: the guy who would rather be stuck in 1995 than count himself as the same type of person as your pathetic soul.

EDIT: Also, console games sell far more than PC games. You're in the minority, as you should be.

[BetaChapel]

I play on console and PC.

I like both. I dislike both in some ways, too.

I am capable of doing this without being a ******. Some of you should try harder.

I kind hope you are kidding when you say you play this game on 2 systems?

[Taaltos]

I kind hope you are kidding when you say you play this game on 2 systems?

Why? Maybe he has friends on PC he plays with and maybe he has friends on Console? No different than having 2 characters.

it's his money.