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    Will the season pass be available to be brought physically like the Borderlands 2 one? or will i have to shell out microsoft points to get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupis Volk View Post
    Will the season pass be available to be brought physically like the Borderlands 2 one? or will i have to shell out microsoft points to get it?
    It may be in a physical form but the amount of points to buy it is the equivalent of $40 anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupis Volk View Post
    Will the season pass be available to be brought physically like the Borderlands 2 one? or will i have to shell out microsoft points to get it?
    You can buy it direct from Trion here. I've not seen anything yet on whether they'll have physical cards available as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shogo_Yahagi View Post
    I'm just saying that you can't make factual statements about content that doesn't exist, and that attacking people for having questions about it is counterproductive.
    With all due respect you seem to have the conversation somewhat inverted. I don't recall anyone here having attacked someone just for "having questions".
    The problem with the comments by zanz and killerbee04x was that they were making declarative statements about it would be (in their perspective), even though it was being contradicted repeatedly by the available evidence and official statements.

    For example if zanz had simply said something like... "I'm worried that that Trion might make it pay to win." We would have pointed out the evidence to the contrary and that would have hopefully been the end of it.
    Instead what we got was a declarative statement that Trion was making it pay to win and when provided with counter evidence zanz kept insisting that it was pay to win with absolutely no basis for making that statement.

    That isn't asking questions, it's repeatedly ignoring answers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shogo_Yahagi View Post
    You choose to take Trion's statements at face value, and that's OK. Other players have experience with games that have started off offering cosmetic items and have crept into offering functional items that offer substantial in-game advantages.
    True, but again this is no basis for making declarative statements that are damaging to Trion's reputation where there is no basis for making such assertions. There is almost always a certain degree of confusion where there are many large companies involved and things get changed towards the end. It is understandable that this would cause some concerns, but it doesn't justify making inflammatory accusations based solely on what someone is afraid might happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shogo_Yahagi View Post
    Given that Trion has already offered conflicting official explanations regarding pre-order bonus items--through no fault of the community reps, I'm sure--(e.g., Dodge Challenger being a Trion exclusive or not, differing season pass duration, and ambiguous use of the word season itself), I think it's understandable that some people may be taking a wait and see attitude.
    Agreed and again there would be no problem with that. But there is a big difference between saying "I want to see how this will work out, I've been cheated before." and instead saying "Trion's trying to rip us off!" when there is no supporting evidence for that conclusion and the speaker is ignoring contrary evidence.
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    I'm done arguing about this. You can't ask the internet to stop acting like the internet. Clearly, the Trion fanboys can't tell the difference between expressing misgivings and spreading misinformation, which is somewhat ironic, given that they have been making misleading declarations themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shogo_Yahagi View Post
    I'm done arguing about this. You can't ask the internet to stop acting like the internet. Clearly, the Trion fanboys can't tell the difference between expressing misgivings and spreading misinformation, which is somewhat ironic, given that they have been making misleading declarations themselves.
    That's fine if you want to stop arguing about it, but there is a big difference between merely asking questions (as you stated earlier), expressing misgivings, and making harmful declarative statements that are contradicted by available information even after they were informed otherwise. Just as there is a big difference between being expressing an inaccurate opinion/belief (by those you refer to as "Trion fanboys", certainly nothing pejorative there!), and expressing one that is potentially damaging to a company's reputation in a public forum even when repeatedly contradicted by the available evidence. I'm sorry if you seem to be having trouble with the distinction between those categories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dihydrogen Monoxide View Post
    That's fine if you want to stop arguing about it, but there is a big difference between merely asking questions (as you stated earlier), expressing misgivings, and making harmful declarative statements that are contradicted by available information even after they were informed otherwise. Just as there is a big difference between being expressing an inaccurate opinion/belief (by those you refer to as "Trion fanboys", certainly nothing pejorative there!), and expressing one that is potentially damaging to a company's reputation in a public forum even when repeatedly contradicted by the available evidence. I'm sorry if you seem to be having trouble with the distinction between those categories.

    Yeah, exactly ^^this^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleakPanther View Post
    Yeah, exactly ^^this^^

    Such an eloquent molecule...
    I love this!


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    Quote Originally Posted by BleakPanther View Post
    Shogo, we're not mocking anyone about the "fashion show". It has been explicitly stated that the in-game store will offer cosmetic items and xp/currency boosting items which are in no way gamebreaking or would lead to "pay2win". It also been stated that the items that DLC buyers have access to, that the people that choose not to buy don't, won't give a major advantage. The only way to "pay2win" is if you were participating in an in-game fashion show. Which I will more than likely partake in because I'm a sucker for cosmetic items.

    At this point we have take the Devs/Community Team's word that there will be no "Pay2Win" in this game. Having a history with Trion, I can take what is said at face value. The only way its speculation is if we assume that every person that's repping Trion and has answered this question is a liar and they've yet to show that to be the case.
    Geez, 1 little fashion joke and people get touchy. Guess they dont love my fabulouuuuuus hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleakPanther View Post
    Yeah, exactly ^^this^^

    Such an eloquent molecule...
    LOL! Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bdtry View Post
    Geez, 1 little fashion joke and people get touchy. Guess they dont love my fabulouuuuuus hat.
    Personally I like the idea of shooting hellbugs while "I'm too sexy" (by Right Said Fred) plays in the background.
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