Racing in 2050 is an insult to the veterans

[Midnight]

BTW, this discussion reminded me of a similar case:

Grenades in 2050 are infinite, based on cooldown.

When OLDefiance launched, it was also this way. Trion changed grenades later to be based on finite supplies. This provoked the first known Defiance Meme, "because grenades". A gigantic wave of wrath took the forums like a storm. It wasn't pretty.

Well... it wouldn't be far off to guess one of the reasons new players have infinite grenades in 2050 NOW is because back THEN, Veterans spoke up for their lost playstyle. Trion didn't say a word then and it took a new generation for things to finally being corrected according to what the players wanted

So, I know "it's just a game", but SPEAK UP FOR YOURSELF, for Loci's sake. And THANK those veterans (I wasn't one of them, BTW, I came by the end of 2013) for your cool grenades, now.

I think you give them too much credit...when they said they built this from the "ground up" it seems to have just meant they started with the original release code, hence all the old bugs and problems...they just did not prioritize "fixing" grenades...it was fixed through omission, but I'll take it

[Decesnion]

There are some design choices in 2050 that seem to have been made just to piss and annoy OLDefiance veterans.

I've been reading these forums for the past 5 years, with some intervals. But one thing remained true all of these years:

WE. HATE. RACING!!!

Totally and completely agree.

[Tesseract]

Hate? Yeah, hate. H.A.T.E. hate.

But I would really only find them mildly annoying if:

- The cars were not made of tissue paper. D13 time trials were way better because of that one fact. I have actually run on foot after by car got blown up until it could spawn again, and managed a bronze. But a bronze ain't worth shtako.
- Handling worked well. It's NOT *just* lag, it's also that there are built in delays in response times.
- No lag or just the lag being consistent. It's not just that response is slow, it's that it VARIES from moment to moment so going into a turn you might need to start turning well before you get there or you won't make it, but on the next run in the exact same turn, turning that early will steer you off course. And sometimes that car just isn't going to turn no matter what you do. Same thing for boosting and accelleration. From moment to moment in the race I never know just how responsive the vehicle will be.
- It were more of an actual test of skill without all the random effects of hitting this exact bump in exactly that way so the goal is to memorize the exact course and then get very lucky.
- And a problem I HOPE we have left behind on D13, the arches lagging so badly that I sometimes had to stop and wait for the next one to appear. I have not seen that yet on D50 and hope I never do.

But that only gets us to annoying, not I LOVE THIS STUFF! THIS IS WHAT I LIVE FOR!

I like that there is some vehicle content but the time trials are just not it. Maybe someone could come up with some missions where use of vehicles is important but integrated into the overall play. Maybe a hybred were a kick-a shooter would not have to be the greatest driver and a great driver could be less shooty. Betcha the players could come up with some idea if we thought Trion would incorporate them.

[TheLastDon]

I don't mind the races. They are easy enough to gold medal and I get a sweet Black Dodger Charger for my efforts.

[LAPDAlonzo]

Just change the way vehicles are handled/driving, and the speed of the vehicles back to the original defiance please. Has anyone notice that the speed of the vehicles are way slower now? the ATV for example.

[SanCarioca]

I think you give them too much credit...when they said they built this from the "ground up" it seems to have just meant they started with the original release code, hence all the old bugs and problems...they just did not prioritize "fixing" grenades...it was fixed through omission, but I'll take it

Fixed through omission... that's really sad, but I agree you might be completely right on that.

Still, I think the Veterans deserve credit for rising up against that change.

[SanCarioca]

In today's livestream, several people complained about Time Trials as dailies. Amongst the zillion messages that flew by, it was a perceptible trend.

I mean, the game is crashing left and right, missions are bugged, people are still left without compensation... and players STILL took to Twitch to complain about racing in 2050.

Will our voice be heard? That has always been the point of this thread.

[drackiller]

In today's livestream, several people complained about Time Trials as dailies. Amongst the zillion messages that flew by, it was a perceptible trend.

I mean, the game is crashing left and right, missions are bugged, people are still left without compensation... and players STILL took to Twitch to complain about racing in 2050.

Will our voice be heard? That has always been the point of this thread.

They totally ignore everything that points out the game is broken.
Looks like that they are enjoying their creation and just forgotten that games are made for the players, not for their self-amusement.

[Necronial]

I don't mind how in og defiance, once you hit gold in all of the races your don't ever need to do them again, since you got the pursuit. I don't mind the mini games, they are fun once in a while when the scoring system works right.

I hate how daily missions are racing/mini games though. They are fun but not every single day. I liked how it was to re complete a certain side mission in the last game. Or it should be as simple as Kill 50 raiders/dark matter/99ers. I love co-op maps so lets add more of those (ik one of the factions always wants co-ops)

I wish some of the races still had the dodge instead of the 4 wheeler. The races were faster then at least.

[maverick07]

I didn't mind the racing back when original Defiance first came out. At some point during that game (I think around F2P) they completely jacked the vehicle handling and it's still atrocious in 2050.