Still no communication?

[Jhakl]

I don't understand what you're trying to say....

When the next update goes live, I'd probably post another steamchart to see how it affects the game. You see, player retention on the original game is very bad despite numerous updates (we can only know this because of steamchart). Hopefully this game would perform better.

This is why i love humanity, you can't get this level of entertainment on cable, but with a little accidental forum clicking you can get it her for free.

Trying to keep this really simple.Do "you" (that's you) love playing the game? Yes it's got it's issues, over time they will be worked on or not. Regardless... "you" (that's you the number crunching wizard of numbers) are saying that if you (do i have to?) Like or love a game and play hours at a time, days and months... but log on to "steam" and look at a chart with numbers on it and seeing the low calculated numeral .... never mind.

Play the game or don't. I don't care what that number says. I don't care about another number comparision when the game gets patched. It simply means something got fixed and something else broke. Put your dam calculator down. How is it possible you can maintain any level of sanity if you can only function on the ability to do, play, breathe, whatever by what some stupid chart says?

I like the game. It has problems. I choose to keep playing. I'm not putting my controller down and have a tantrum because a number chart has low numbers. Because what your chart numbers add up to you're saying the game isn't playable? 475 on your steam chart says it's playable to them. You either be 476 or or is it necessary for you to go outside only if a chart adds up to a particular shade of what the blue sky should be. It says it has a tint of periwinkle... the end is niegh!

Dude, really I'm messing with the issue, don't skip your next support meatiing. I'm bored... kids have my PS4. Seriously put down the calculator. Stop looking at charts and play it or not. Numbers don't tell you what is fun to you. You do do wheather there is 500 or 5000. Hel less on at the moment with how things are is less lag. See a positive number being lower is being better. And now I'm doing it... outies.

[SanCarioca]

I don't understand what you're trying to say....

Rational people gravitate towards numbers to support their arguments and put weight behind their issues. Other people don't like real data telling bad things about something they like.

[Hit the Deck]

Jhakl,

Analysing the game and making threads/post in the forum is just as fun as playing it. That's why I've made several threads like faction weapon balance, full auto weapons comparison, class ideas, weapon ideas, or even how the game performs compared to the original (steamchart posts are found here).

BTW, I'm glad that my posts could entertain you

[Jhakl]

Rational people gravitate towards numbers to support their arguments and put weight behind their issues. Other people don't like real data telling bad things about something they like.

Are there numbers supporting that.. cus, well ya know...

Sorry. I'll stop before it gets dumb and someone starts cutting themselves and gets added to those numbers... it just won't end!

[Jhakl]

Jhakl,

Analysing the game and making threads/post in the forum is just as fun as playing it. That's why I've made several threads like faction weapon balance, full auto weapons comparison, class ideas, weapon ideas, or even how the game performs compared to the original (steamchart posts are found here).

BTW, I'm glad that my posts could entertain you

Hey, these are good. I like these. I make my own lists at times for leveling and what skills to pick next to pass time and tweek a concept out to my play style. But I'm just messing with the charts with numbers making a chart dictate if i will stop playing a game i like because it says it has low numbers. Most of the time i run around and maybe see 10 or so other players. A coupke doing a pursuit at the same time. Get a arkfall and 50 come out if the cracks. Ya lag gets in there but i still think it's fun as hell. I perfer mmo's over other games simply because it give the game more life and random interactions you can't get from a scripted single pkayer game. Not that i don't have my favorites there either.

[SanCarioca]

BTW, here's another SteamChart about a game everybody loved, but died, anyway:



BTW. WildStar also has its own PC Client. And it's dead anyway. Steam proved to be a very trustworthy indicator of the game's decline over the years.

Low population is terminal to any MMO. You can like and not care about a MMO, but you *can't* *play group content* *alone*. Ignoring where a game is going might prevent you from playing it in the future.

I can't really speak for others, but if they're anything like me, they don't want this to happen with Defiance, because they love the game and are actually worried about it.

And once again, it's not about 475 people playing it now. It's about the 1,800 people that *dropped* it without a second look. Why so many people tried 2050 and dropped it almost immediately?

The many posts in this forum may give a hint about that. Are they being addressed? No. Should they have been addressed before? DEFINITELY.

So, with a huge percentual of the Steam population drop, tons of unanswered issues in the forum, several of them not being addressed so far... people that are experiencing the same issues in other platforms have more than an argument to validate their issues about the game with the cold, hard evidence that SteamCharts provides.

[ICantAim]

The problem is too few players and the game has no purpose. As an insominac, I tried playing late at night to early in the morning, and let me tell you a dark matter arkfall in SF at 4AM on a tuesday makes you feel really really lonely.

A lot of content can't even be played if there's not enough people. How often do you see the Area or Zone chat spammed with "Please I only need X more player for a Tier 4 coop". How often do you try to enter a competitive or a shadow war (just to do the echelon contract) and it takes over an hour to start?

Not enough players and the game becomes just another offline game with a linear main mission.

[Jhakl]

BTW, here's another SteamChart about a game everybody loved, but died, anyway:

Paying for a game and watching die sucks and even worse if you like it. Asherons Call 2... for me. And many others for others. But i still played it untill it went under. I didn't stop because low numbers. This is free to play. So what if the numbers are low. It holds on or it don't. Play it or don't, numbers don't determine what i will do. D50 goes under due to their issuses is on them. You loose a small chunk in time you weren't doing anything else at the momnet anyway. Games relying on paid members will go under with no paying members. Free to play games piggy back off other paying servers in the running. Low base doesn't have a huge affect on it. I play D50 becsuse i loved playing the story in D13 and loved the series. If they came out with a game following fire fly/ serenity I'll jump on that too. Chart or no chart. If it goes under... well ... darn.

[SanCarioca]

But I'm just messing with the charts with numbers making a chart dictate if i will stop playing a game i like because it says it has low numbers.

Absolutely nobody is saying you shouldn't play 2050 "because SteamCharts say so". You really can't say that about anyone in this thread, really. You framed this perception to ridicule those people's actions. "You're just messing", right?

The charts are used to validate everybody's issues with the games. Because we KNOW Defiance is fun and a great game. We don't even factor the game not being fun for the reason population dropped so fast on Steam. It must be the game's problems, the port, the lag, servers, the broken rewards, the disastrous launch week, no sieges on xbox, trophies not unlocking, cheaters rampant on PC, etc, etc, etc...

Since so many people left the game in less than 2 months, we have enough reason to question the interview where Trion's CEO said "numbers are good". I don't know about other people, but I happen to prefer statements that I can verify myself.

That still doesn't mean that people that enjoy the game as it is now shouldn't play it. As a matter of fact, none of the people that resort to data ever take any jabs at people that are playing the game. Most of them respect different opinions and don't need other people to conform to their viewpoint. We're mostly using Trion's space (the forums) to discuss the issues that matter to us. Feel free to ignore us.

[LAPDAlonzo]

Steam charts says its barely hitting 430 now. That interview that was posted by the CEO Scott, um:


"Considering how well [Defiance 2050] runs for us as a company, it does exactly what we expected. We see it as a big update to the original Defiance that we released many years ago. The new graphics and the overhaul of the gameplay are a big improvement. There was also a lot of new content."

What big update? The visuals/graphics are not new, they are upgraded but barely. You can see the difference in the lighting and shadowing and there's more AA, and there's some updated but slightly new textures and its using DX11, so the game does look better than the classic defiance, but i wouldn't called it new, just "updated". but that's about it.


But why did he say there's alot of new content? There's less character creation features, there's less map locations, there's less weapons and items, in fact half the content from D13 is missing in 2050. What is that guy talking about, is he playing the same game?