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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfsniper View Post
    And anyone who this to point out the positive gets called a shill, a fanboys, ect. All the old guys do is complain that D50 isn't a copy paste of D13. All the old guys constantly berate trion, and post hateful things, and people wonder why they don't post as much here. Look at Twitter, and Facebook, and forum post, it's almost all toxic.

    I am day one player of D13 got to ego 6k, bought all dlc. From my perspective d50 since sieges were removed hasn't crashed once, no lag outside a few enemies rubberbanding, no d/c errors unless server issue. where as D13 would crash 15 times a day(and people still want that on bc over d50.. D50 is simply the more stable version, but because people can't have their op weapons in d50 they are going to bash it. That's what I see from most of the old guys here.

    That's my perspective from where I sit.
    trion is why the OG players are the way they are with them, way to many broken promises , and they keep showing us ,why we feel this way towards them , on a weekly basis . the past 3 years . zero improvement in their game servers. and not just in defiance . they still cant fix the old d13 store . or give us an answer about a log in give away. no the lock up the page with addressing the issues . thats their Mo . why we cant stand trion as a whole. they have given us every reason to hate them . for all the things they have done ,and havent done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RALTERMANN View Post
    To those who DON'T play the game (D13, 2050), yet still choose to comment in the forums...I say get your Arses back in the game! LOL. Of course, if you reallllllllly didn't love the game, I doubt you would waste your time being in the forums. Log back in, dust off the gear and get some trigger time in!
    Playing D50 is like trying to eat a soup sandwich: it's a messy and frustrating experience that provides little satisfaction. Weapon crafting is onerous and basically pointless beyond increasing PR, character development is almost non-existent and provides no tangible feeling of progression, and there haven't been any updates in 2.5 months despite the game-breaking issues that have surfaced.

    The bottom line is Trion has given me zero incentive to come back and play and the impending update that is allegedly on the horizon isn't doing anything to change my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210 View Post
    trion is why the OG players are the way they are with them, way to many broken promises , and they keep showing us ,why we feel this way towards them , on a weekly basis . the past 3 years . zero improvement in their game servers. and not just in defiance . they still cant fix the old d13 store . or give us an answer about a log in give away. no the lock up the page with addressing the issues . thats their Mo . why we cant stand trion as a whole. they have given us every reason to hate them . for all the things they have done ,and havent done.
    And yet how many kept pumping money in d13, and continue to pump money in d50 despite this? Some people just like to hate play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RALTERMANN View Post
    I get frustration can cause criticism but what I don't get, is why even comment on a Defiance 2050 forum, if you don't play the game? I've seen countless comments like, "That's why I quit playing"...so in short, if you are not an active player, why are you here?
    If a Game Traveler wishes to remain lost, (the're choice of direction), it's better to leave them lost, instead of joining them

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfsniper View Post
    And yet how many kept pumping money in d13, and continue to pump money in d50 despite this? Some people just like to hate play.
    not very many anymore according to some charts .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RALTERMANN View Post
    To those who DON'T play the game (D13, 2050), yet still choose to comment in the forums...I say get your Arses back in the game! LOL. Of course, if you reallllllllly didn't love the game, I doubt you would waste your time being in the forums. Log back in, dust off the gear and get some trigger time in!

    D13 = Ghost World
    2050 = Nothing to do - except contracts, but i don't want to do the new contracts - i want to do the original Defiance contracts only.


    We get a big patch with N E W enemys - soon? Well it is all very O L D stuff we get with this patch... ... "It is dead - Jim" ...



    Look here how much customers this game company lost since release - and they do absolutely nothing against it!


    https://steamcharts.com/app/743090#All
    No fun for us = no money for ..... That's it!

    If i do not get my inventory / loadouts / charslots transferred from original Defiance to Defiance 2050, i will never ever buy something, again.
    (I bought in shop extra inventory slots, deluxe edition, standard edition, all dlc and more. For 5 accounts! I did spend over 500 Euro for Defiance and a lot more for Archage.)

    I love Defiance (the original game).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Bluming View Post
    Yikes... I've seen people draw bigger crowds for a Minecraft live stream on Twitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfsniper View Post
    And anyone who this to point out the positive gets called a shill, a fanboys, ect. All the old guys do is complain that D50 isn't a copy paste of D13. All the old guys constantly berate trion, and post hateful things, and people wonder why they don't post as much here. Look at Twitter, and Facebook, and forum post, it's almost all toxic.

    I am day one player of D13 got to ego 6k, bought all dlc. From my perspective d50 since sieges were removed hasn't crashed once, no lag outside a few enemies rubberbanding, no d/c errors unless server issue. where as D13 would crash 15 times a day(and people still want that on bc over d50.. D50 is simply the more stable version, but because people can't have their op weapons in d50 they are going to bash it. That's what I see from most of the old guys here.

    That's my perspective from where I sit.
    I rest my case.
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    Thank you to the others for trying to explain what I wrote, I do appreciate it .
    I hoped it was clear ... and it seems only one person had a problem understanding it.

    It seems there are two issues here:
    1) The word “entitled” (it has more than one meaning).
    2) The mention of investing money in the game.

    So ... allow me to try to clarify things, for what it's worth (and at the risk of repeating myself ... apologies, I have written a lot ).

    1)

    The meaning I used for “entitled”, for my post, was this one:

    give (someone) a legal right or a just claim to receive or do something.
    "employees are normally entitled to redundancy pay"
    synonyms: qualify, make eligible, authorize, sanction, allow, permit, grant, grant/give the right, give permission;
    In particular ... the “just claim”; so the closest synonym might be “permitted” or “allowed”. Thus, it could be written:
    Players who supported the original game ... who invested time & money over several years ... who paid towards the wages of Trion staff ... they are allowed to have a different perspective than new players who never played that version.”
    Hopefully that clears it up .

    Also, I would say that (speaking generally) ... someone who has 5 years experience with a product ... is probably more qualified to talk about it with some authority, compared with someone who only has a few weeks experience with the product.
    That's a general rule in business ... the more experienced you are, the more you are likely to be hired for a job. People value experience ... because it is assumed that knowledge and expertise comes with it.

    Does everyone's opinion carry the same weight?
    Would you treat the advice from a family member or good friend the same as advice from a complete stranger? It depends, doesn't it? Depends on what they are talking about.
    It seems logical, that the more 'qualified' a person is, the more weight their words should carry.
    If you want to know how to look after a rare plant ... you might want to ask a horticultural expert instead of the village idiot who doesn't know the difference between a daisy and a rose . And most would dismiss the opinion of a person who is completely clueless about something, saying something like “You don't know what you are talking about”. So ... not everyone's opinion is equally valid on every subject. Unless you want to ask a 3 year old about your pension plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfsniper View Post
    I been around since day1 on D13 and only bought dlc, that doesn't mean I am entitled to anything.
    I note that you said you have spent very little on Defiance, just the DLCs ... so perhaps that has become a sensitive subject. I actually said time and money ... perhaps “time and / or money” is more accurate. I did not talk about whales and I didn't say they should have special privileges either.

    If you are a human ... most would say you are 'entitled' (meaning: have a legal right) to basic human rights.
    If you are a paying customer ... most would say you are entitled to basic consumer rights.

    I have thought about the topic of spending money on video games several times, since I started playing Defiance.

    Should people who spend money on the game be treated differently from those people who don't spend a dime on it?

    Casinos give special treatment to their “high rollers”. Nightclubs do the same for their VIPs.
    Is that fair?
    Shouldn't companies reward loyalty and want to keep regular paying customers happy?
    There seem to be plenty of examples of this in real life. I can't really blame restaurants from treating their most loyal and wealthy patrons a little better. That's just a fact of life ... if they get the better table, the better seats, the quicker service etc.
    It doesn't really bother me, unless prevents everyone else from getting served.

    With Defiance ... do I think the whales should get special treatment?
    I don't think Trion should only listen to what the whales want and exclude everyone else. If Trion only listened to a few players (regardless) ... that could be too skewed.
    But, for example, receiving more Valor seems reasonable to me.

    I think they could have some 'reward' program, and give players who spend “a lot” some free merchandise. For example:
    $100 = a Defiance (bumper) sticker.
    $500 = a T-Shirt.
    $1000 = a Hellbug plushie

    In conclusion (at least for this post):


    If you want a nice happy community ... you should focus on empathy and try to understand where people are coming from. Being eager to label so many (older) players a hater and then to “hate the haters” is not really reducing toxicity and actually has the opposite effect and tends to alienate more players (which is not what most games developers want). If you want to help Trion, you should help create a friendly atmosphere with understanding not instant condemnation for anyone who dares to voice any criticism. Tarring everyone with the same brush is not the answer either.

    Imagine if we had a CM who thought they should suppress all bug reports because they were worried about upsetting the developers' feelings. The devs would be completely in the dark and think everything was perfect, yet the players would soon get fed up with all the bugs and leave the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by binky View Post
    The part in red doesn't imply or aver privileges or rights, it says/means perspective.

    And the opinion of someone who has long term experience with promises made, product not delivered, and bugs not fixed is a more valid opinion of the game as it is than someone who downloaded it last weekend and has 6 hours playing the game casually without seeing the faults, yet.
    Exactly, well said .

    Quote Originally Posted by skepticck View Post
    Of course it does, everyone is entitled to have a different perspective and opinion than anyone else.

    Nowhere does he/she say "a better perspective" or the "right perspective" they only say a different perspective, and of course they do have the right to a different perspective.

    If you played a game for many years, supported it, spent time & money in it and i never played said game only read about it or seen videos then you will have a different, more informed and i'll say more valid perspective and opinion about it compared to me. Seems perfectly logical.
    Precisely!

    Quote Originally Posted by skepticck View Post
    But i guess that's not really surprising, whenever you answer a post of anyone even barely criticizing Trion you don't seem to really read or want to understand what people write but simply "interpret" what they say in a way that fits your own narrative and opinion, basically your right and everyone else is wrong.
    That seems to be the case: people see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe. The trouble is ... if you can't admit something is wrong, how can you ever fix it?

    Quote Originally Posted by skepticck View Post
    There is really no point in arguing with people that can't seem to conceive that other people's opinion may be as valid as their own.
    Very true ... it's a shame if people are not willing to be objective and consider the merits of other people's views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Calm like a Bomb View Post
    You have totally misconstrued what Light Energy was trying to get across to the OP.

    The OP, who had never played or even heard of D13, was asking for all the negative comments about 2050 to cease and to just let it be.

    2050, however, is pretty much the same game as D13. We see the same issues, bugs, etc. with 2050 as D13 and even new problems and issues that need to be addressed. Those new to the Defiance universe dont know this, they only know what 2050 is.

    L.E.was just saying that all of us og arkhunters who supported the original game with our time/money are qualified/entitled to have a different point of view of 2050 than those who never played D13. If you continue to read the rest of his post he shares his perspective of why the newer players see all the negative comments.
    Thank you, that's absolutely correct.

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