Told You All Trion Would Sink Eventually!

[PriMe]

I said a few months back that this game would sink if Trion didn't listen to the community, didn't listen to those telling them to fix stuff on there games, didn't listen to the constructive criticism and do better on maintaining there games. I got a lot of hate for the post and in the end I was right, but now here we are with them in a lawsuit because of archage. Defiance is sunk, over 3-1/4 of the population and community on defiance is gone. This is a prime example of what not to do in a game company. I said it from the start. They knew better then to release defiance with all the bugs, lag, server disconnections. etc. I understand things can be fixed after a release but not to that extent of where the game is starting out from being held together by duck tape. I knew this would happen and because of it I have quit playing the game all together since august. I am in utter disappointment with Trion from there lack of doing things the proper way. I think over all this was a good thing to happen though as now maybe some other company will take over and make that company a better gaming company other then the rat hole its been since day 1. Sad to see defiance sink like this. Miss the good old days of playing on Xbox 360. But that is in the past. Now we can look forward to the future and hope maybe in the end this game will get some justice.

P.S.
Maybe next time around if there is a next time. Trion would do better to listen then rather ignore people.
Also Id like a refund for the $100+ I spent on this game lol.

[Good Score]

To Gamigo: I hope you truly listen to the Players and deliver (We are your Money Source)

This post is for the new owners to read and answer. I don't want to hear what the lickers have to say. I myself like many others, want change and promises kept and action.

(1) 5 years on and the void on the map in San Fran is still not fixed (There was meant to be some sort of a Palace there originally)

(2) PR System: It has killed the enthusiasm and joy of players. There is nothing exciting to achieve anymore, like there was with the Ego System leveling (The Game is Dead). It seriously needs to be replaced by something better than even both systems or give us back the Ego System leveling. When people can play your game and are able to forget about the stresses of life, you have done a better job.

(2a) PR System: It robbed players of Trading un hope to get a better weapon for a good price. (A clever scam by trion to make money) so that people might buy from the store. Trion bled us all of the joy of playing this game.

(2b) Trading: No Clan Leaders can offer a little prize to their members when they have in-clan competitions. It kept the joy going and one of many reasons that kept players interested in playing this game, while trion bled us of something else.

(2c) PR System: There is no goal to achieve with this System, othar than get to 5k, then what? It is an empty goal/s and causes discouragement and peopel leave the game.

(2d) PR System: It has killed the potential of seeing players with true skills at events, like we saw with the Ego System. Many noobs now can beat high level players at Majors. Warmaster is no longer exciting like it was in the old system. The rewards at the end makes it not even worth playing it.

(3) The prizes in Pursuits are pretty pathetic.

(4) By now, one would have expected new vehicle models.

(4a) Vehicles: Many new players keep asking where can they buy a vehicle. They cant get anything decent or faster, until they reach level 50 Ego, so they can do dailys and weeklys that eran Reputation currency to buy one.

(5) Drop Rates: This situation in the game is pathetic in open world, and other Matches. It gives no enthusiasm to players to play, because there is nothing worth grinding for. It gives us all some joy at the end, of gaining something worthwhile for our current level. Also there is nothing in the game, which gives players something that no other player has, that might give them an upper hand in events etc.

(6) Clan Weapons, Shields, Nades Pool: Every Clan needs this. It will help Clans support all Players on every level to access anytime and distribute by Founder and Leaders to Members in Clan. When you give people joy, it gives them reason to say.

(7) Clans: I have played D13 for about 3 years and later left the game completely, due to the many changes trion made, which not only destroyed my clan but many clans. Players left by the droves, after they couldn't bare the disrespect they received from trion and the fact trion never listened to us when we voiced our thoughts in the forum.

Not only that, people like myself were banned, because "We" told it how it was, on behalf of our Clans and all other players.

Your money flows from your players, if you listen and give us the joy we ask for, your game will prosper and so will all Clans. This is the indicator that you are doing something good for us, but when clans come and go, you know they players are not happy.

I have recently started playing on D50, it is hollow and empty and has no substance. All the joy of playing has been ripped out of it. I hope you listen to my plea of drastic changes and others, else you may end up in the same boat as trion without a paddle.

(8) Daily Spamming: Its very discouraging to see all this crap being spammed on multiple pages everyday, STILL 4 years later. It washes out every genuine message that needs your attention Gamigo. Please fix this ASAP.

(9) Progress and Rebuilding: This Game is called Defiance 2050, meaning that some time has proceeded since the first D13. Why do we still see original buildings on the map and not new towns, or villages. It is natural, that the people in the series would have worked to rebuild towns etc. Why not do the same for the game with some thing new in them as well.

(10) The Tunnel: In the beginning of D13, it was rumored that a tunnel was going to be built through the mountain from around Kith and Kinship area to Port Stinson. Would you consider doing this still? Any maybe load it with unlimited spawns of different types of enemies, for a chance of a proto of different types. Or make it into a challenge, "Try to Get Through the Tunnel".

(11) Permanent Enemy Hangouts: I would like to see an enemy hangout place in every region from Earth Republic all the way to San Fran, which you can see at a distance from the road, a massive hoard of that enemy type. This would add a little spice and excitement to the game offering rewards if you can kill them all. But as a further suggestion, make these gangs like in number of 100. A place for each region where there is no others like them.

(12) Valor Store: Some of us spent a lot of money on D13, which gave us Valor Credit in D50. I had 99k and I bought the Valor Shop out, except a few titles.

I would like you to add a lot more to the Valor Store please, and not just crap, but unique items that cannot be bought by other means. I still have have 67k Valor Credit to spend.

Another suggestion is: Because we "Paying Customers" have spent so much in the past supporting your company, I would like you to give us in the Valor Store, all the Paid Game Pack items that were ever produced that were a part of those packs, despite the fact that we may not have bought them in the past. This to me would be a way to say thank you to us for "Our" support. *41st Century Agent and many others, including all Vehicles.

(13) Volge Swarms (Bathhouse & Northpoint Mine): You cannot complete the Volge Pursuit to collect the reactor when they finish, because it immediately switches back to the enemy that normally spawn in each of them. There needs to be a delay put in place to allow players to collect this reactor and finish that Side Mission.

(14) Clan Chat Bug: I encountered a Clan Bug in D50 this week, which also occured in D13. I finally found out how it is happening. If a player is in another clan on another char or have their own clan, and also have a char in my clan (Same Account), our clan chats cross and I can read what they type in clan chat and visa versa. I had to remove that player from my Clan on D50, due to the fact that they can see our conversations and game tips.

(15) All the Paradise Time Trial Races are beyond ridiculous. The Cars supplied in the races have absolutely no control and handle like a feather in the wind. Secondly, the races are too long and its like hypnosis going through the lit up arches for 2 long laps.

On top of that, oftentimes about 5 emergencies spawn along the track which slow you down. The races are an utter joke. Even when you manage to clear the track and start all over again, I still cannot get bronze. I no longer do these races. Whats the point?

Some suggestions I have for you is, when someone starts a race, all enemy's are removed from the track automatically. Secondly, give us the option of choosing a vehicle that we want to race with and are familiar with and finally, if that don't work, PLEASE REMOVE PARADISE RACES. I am assuming that many players don't do these races. So why have them at all, especially when there are so many issues that already lag the game?

(16) 2050 Store: The Store is an utter joke. It has nothing to lure or inspire me to even want to spend a lot of money on this game. A Store should give paying players far better items than from rewards or drops in the game. All these years, the customers have been ripped off and bled dry of all enthusiasm and left in dismay.

The harsh reality in the past on D13 was when we could buy weapons in a chest from the Store, trion bled us bad again and gave us nothing for our money.

You would think that you would get something good if you buy it, but instead of giving us a specific weapon with a random roll, we got a RNG chest full of crap that gave you crap and never what you hoped for. Gamigo, please give us better service than what trion gave us.

I would like to see the weekend "Two for One Deals" brought back, supported with ingame advertising for unique Weapons, Shield, Nades for each upcoming weekend. Also a random "Awesome Deals" on Wednesdays in Store unadvertised (Lucky Dip - Make sure your online).

Suggestion: Full Outfit and Helmet set with +Armor or +Repel or +Jump +Run +SurpriseMe (inShop Only)

(17) Prototypes: A serious question here. If you are pushed for time so badly, why on earth did you create the Venom Spitter and Sugar Injector? Firstly, the Venom is an absolute joke and utterly useless. It looks amazing that is all. The angle of projection is beyond ridiculous and I cannot see the enemy or others around me when I focus on them to shoot. Why add a weapon to the game that no one will use?

Secondly, the Sugar is useless too! It does bugger all damage to anything. Why not just copy and paste the full scrit of the old Canker into the Sugar file. I'm sure many would use it then.

The only use I have with these 2 Proto's is for simply leveling up my stupid PR. The time used to make, adjust and any other repeated actions concerning these 2 weapons, could have been used on fixing up critical bug issues or developing a better playing system for the game.

(18) Old Staff: Does Senior GM Destromathe still work for Gamigo?

(19) LIVESTREAM: When and what time will livestream occur? You told us Friday. Which Friday is that and what time on that Friday? You haven't posted any ad about this on Glyph or in Forum. My timezone is +10, so I need some clarity here please.

(20) Tickets: When are you going to answer my tickets and other players tickets?

(20) Inventory Increase: The default size of inventory is 40, without paying for extra slots. If you are going to keep this "PR System" in place, then please increase the default inventory slots to at least 80-100.

Also, I would like to suggest that you raise the cap of 200 inventory slots to 500.

WHY? Because this System requires us to gather loot to salvage and along the way, we also gain some moderately ok items for that level we are currently on and choose to keep them and mod them.

[FroZeN]

i would echo everything above.
Well Written and formated GoodScore !

Adding to the above, I would mention Achievements as a priority.
Nothing like working towards something to find out it is fruitless and broken.
Please look to other recent posts where me and others have listed them (6 broken achievements on X1)

The races are a joke.
The events spawning during a race + car often driving in opposite direction i steer, is all frustrating enough, without a couple of the races having near impossible Bronzes let alone Gold.
Then add Lag too.. forget it.

Multiplayer PvP
Fix the matchmaking. Capture & Hold maps are not accessable. Never have been.
You need more players to start one and yet the matchmaking cap is 16, which is too low for it to start

I could go into a range of other things, other bugs, quality of life features, new additions.
But tbh, additional points seem to be almost too big of an ask, if these basic fixes are too much to do!
Very little faith left, if we cannot ask for a couple of value changes..

[smurfsniper]

To Gamigo: I hope you truly listen to the Players and deliver (We are your Money Source)

This post is for the new owners to read and answer. I don't want to hear what the lickers have to say. I myself like many others, want change and promises kept and action.

(1) 5 years on and the void on the map in San Fran is still not fixed (There was meant to be some sort of a Palace there originally)

(2) PR System: It has killed the enthusiasm and joy of players. There is nothing exciting to achieve anymore, like there was with the Ego System leveling (The Game is Dead). It seriously needs to be replaced by something better than even both systems or give us back the Ego System leveling. When people can play your game and are able to forget about the stresses of life, you have done a better job.

(2a) PR System: It robbed players of Trading un hope to get a better weapon for a good price. (A clever scam by trion to make money) so that people might buy from the store. Trion bled us all of the joy of playing this game.

(2b) Trading: No Clan Leaders can offer a little prize to their members when they have in-clan competitions. It kept the joy going and one of many reasons that kept players interested in playing this game, while trion bled us of something else.

(2c) PR System: There is no goal to achieve with this System, othar than get to 5k, then what? It is an empty goal/s and causes discouragement and peopel leave the game.

(2d) PR System: It has killed the potential of seeing players with true skills at events, like we saw with the Ego System. Many noobs now can beat high level players at Majors. Warmaster is no longer exciting like it was in the old system. The rewards at the end makes it not even worth playing it.

(3) The prizes in Pursuits are pretty pathetic.

(4) By now, one would have expected new vehicle models.

(4a) Vehicles: Many new players keep asking where can they buy a vehicle. They cant get anything decent or faster, until they reach level 50 Ego, so they can do dailys and weeklys that eran Reputation currency to buy one.

(5) Drop Rates: This situation in the game is pathetic in open world, and other Matches. It gives no enthusiasm to players to play, because there is nothing worth grinding for. It gives us all some joy at the end, of gaining something worthwhile for our current level. Also there is nothing in the game, which gives players something that no other player has, that might give them an upper hand in events etc.

(6) Clan Weapons, Shields, Nades Pool: Every Clan needs this. It will help Clans support all Players on every level to access anytime and distribute by Founder and Leaders to Members in Clan. When you give people joy, it gives them reason to say.

(7) Clans: I have played D13 for about 3 years and later left the game completely, due to the many changes trion made, which not only destroyed my clan but many clans. Players left by the droves, after they couldn't bare the disrespect they received from trion and the fact trion never listened to us when we voiced our thoughts in the forum.

Not only that, people like myself were banned, because "We" told it how it was, on behalf of our Clans and all other players.

Your money flows from your players, if you listen and give us the joy we ask for, your game will prosper and so will all Clans. This is the indicator that you are doing something good for us, but when clans come and go, you know they players are not happy.

I have recently started playing on D50, it is hollow and empty and has no substance. All the joy of playing has been ripped out of it. I hope you listen to my plea of drastic changes and others, else you may end up in the same boat as trion without a paddle.

(8) Daily Spamming: Its very discouraging to see all this crap being spammed on multiple pages everyday, STILL 4 years later. It washes out every genuine message that needs your attention Gamigo. Please fix this ASAP.

(9) Progress and Rebuilding: This Game is called Defiance 2050, meaning that some time has proceeded since the first D13. Why do we still see original buildings on the map and not new towns, or villages. It is natural, that the people in the series would have worked to rebuild towns etc. Why not do the same for the game with some thing new in them as well.

(10) The Tunnel: In the beginning of D13, it was rumored that a tunnel was going to be built through the mountain from around Kith and Kinship area to Port Stinson. Would you consider doing this still? Any maybe load it with unlimited spawns of different types of enemies, for a chance of a proto of different types. Or make it into a challenge, "Try to Get Through the Tunnel".

(11) Enemy Hangouts: I would like to see an enemy hangout place in every region from Earth Republic all the way to San Fran, which you can see at a distance from the road, a massive hoard of that enemy type. This would add a little spice and excitement to the game offering rewards if you can kill them all. But as a further suggestion, make these gangs like in number of 100. A place for each region where there is no others like them.

(12) Valor Store: Some of us spent a lot of money on D13, which gave us Valor Credit in D50. I had 99k and I bought the Valor Shop out, except a few titles.

I would like you to add a lot more to the Valor Store please, and not just crap, but unique items that cannot be bought by other means. I still have have 67k Valor Credit to spend.

Another suggestion is: Because we "Paying Customers" have spent so much in the past supporting your company, I would like you to give us in the Valor Store, all the Paid Game Pack items that were ever produced that were a part of those packs, despite the fact that we may not have bought them in the past. This to me would be a way to say thank you to us for "Our" support. *41st Century Agent and many others, including all Vehicles.

(13) Volge Swarms (Bathhouse & Northpoint Mine): You cannot complete the Volge Pursuit to collect the reactor when they finish, because it immediately switches back to the enemy that normally spawn in each of them. There needs to be a delay put in place to allow players to collect this reactor and finish that Side Mission.

(14) Clan Chat Bug: I encountered a Clan Bug in D50 this week, which also occured in D13. I finally found out how it is happening. If a player is in another clan on another char or have their own clan, and also have a char in my clan (Same Account), our clan chats cross and I can read what they type in clan chat and visa versa. I had to remove that player from my Clan on D50, due to the fact that they can see our conversations and game tips.

(15) All the Paradise Time Trial Races are beyond ridiculous. The Cars supplied in the races have absolutely no control and handle like a feather in the wind. Secondly, the races are too long and its like hypnosis going through the lit up arches for 2 long laps.

On top of that, oftentimes about 5 emergencies spawn along the track which slow you down. The races are an utter joke. Even when you manage to clear the track and start all over again, I still cannot get bronze. I no longer do these races. Whats the point?

Some suggestions I have for you is, when someone starts a race, all enemy's are removed from the track automatically. Secondly, give us the option of choosing a vehicle that we want to race with and are familiar with and finally, if that don't work, PLEASE REMOVE PARADISE RACES. I am assuming that many players do do these races. So why have them at all, especially when there are so many issues that already lag the game?

(16) 2050 Store: The Store is an utter joke. It has nothing to lure or inspire me to even want to spend a lot of money on this game. A Store should give paying players far better items than from rewards or drops in the game. All these years, the customers have been ripped off and bled dry of all enthusiasm and left in dismay.

The harsh reality in the past on D13 was when we could buy weapons in a chest from the Store, trion bled us bad again and gave us nothing for our money.

You would think that you would get something good if you buy it, but instead of giving us a specific weapon with a random roll, we got a RNG chest full of crap that gave you crap and never what you hoped for. Gamigo, please give us better service than what trion gave us.

I would like to see the weekend "Two for One Deals" brought back, supported with ingame advertising for unique Weapons, Shield, Nades for each upcoming weekend. Also a random "Awesome Deals" on Wednesdays in Store unadvertised (Lucky Dip - Make sure your online).

Suggestion: Full Outfit and Helmet set with +Armor or +Repel or +Jump +Run +SurpriseMe (inShop Only)

(17) Prototypes: A serious question here. If you are pushed for time so badly, why on earth did you create the Venom Spitter and Sugar Injector? Firstly, the Venom is an absolute joke and utterly useless. It looks amazing that is all. The angle of projection is beyond ridiculous and I cannot see the enemy or others around me when I focus on them to shoot. Why add a weapon to the game that no one will use?

Secondly, the Sugar is useless too! It does bugger all damage to anything. Why not just copy and paste the full scrit of the old Canker into the Sugar file. I'm sure many would use it then.

The only use I have with these 2 Proto's is for simply leveling up my stupid PR. The time used to make, adjust and any other repeated actions concerning these 2 weapons, could have been used on fixing up critical bug issues or developing a better playing system for the game.

(18) Old Staff: Does Senior GM Destromathe still work for Gamigo?

(19) LIVESTREAM: When and what time will livestream occur? You told us Friday. Which Friday is that and what time on that Friday? You haven't posted any ad about this on Glyph or in Forum. My timezone is +10, so I need some clarity here please.

(20) Tickets: When are you going to answer my tickets and other players tickets?

(20) Inventory Increase: The default size of inventory is 40, without paying for extra slots. If you are going to keep this "PR System" in place, then please increase the default inventory slots to at least 80-100.

Also, I would like to suggest that you raise the cap of 200 inventory slots to 500.

WHY? Because this System requires us to gather loot to salvage and along the way, we also gain some moderately ok items for that level we are currently on and choose to keep them and mod them.

Sounds like you want everything for free. All paid content in valor store? Valor store additions would make those who already spent their valor upset because we won't be able to buy any of the new stuff. Valor store isn't a. Place for you to grab all new content, without buying it. It was a good will gesture. In your same position you said d50 store is empty, just add those to the store. People will buy them. You get d50 store items and everyone can buy them.

Enemy Hangouts = sieges. So that's covered.

Trading would only allow everyone to hit 5k and then what. You already said it was an empty goal, somhy rush to get there faster, only to quit sooner? Especially with those with over 5k gear, "hey here are some blue items that are 5007 enjoy" no one s going to trade with anyone lwer then them, so you will struggle to find someone to trade with. A complete overhaul of the game will need to happen, and that's not what is going to happen any time soon. Lte just mve on from the trading thing please.

Stream is this Friday, and they always start at 10:30am PDT.

[TwistedEvil]

[COLOR="lime"][B]To Gamigo:

Well one things certain, you don't want much..




And smurfette, It's always, 1330 EST.

[Good Score]

The PR System should never have been implemented. It is flawed and because of that, there is no trading and it ripped the guts out of the game, robbing it of the joy and fun that it once was to play.

You did miss the whole point here Smurf. Regarding the Valore Store. I have spent enough money to buy every game pack over again and again, but had a gut full of trion and left the game on D13.

In regard to all customers, its the least they could do for those who kept them afloat this long. And as for the comment "I don't want much", this has all been said 100 times over by many others over the years. I simply put it all in one post and is also what I know and have experienced in the game.

By saying nothing at all, gets nothing done. I'm sharing what I believe would make this game fun and inspiring again, which would give people more reason to play again, regarding those who left.

I see some of you here in this thread comment to get a pat on the back from others. I say what I think and stand on it regardless, if I believe in the cause. This game has so much potential, but has been destroyed by trion.

Like I said above: This post is for the new owners to read and answer. I don't want to hear what the lickers have to say. I myself like many others, want change and promises kept and action.

[smurfsniper]

Well one things certain, you don't want much..




And smurfette, It's always, 1330 EST.

Which IS 10:30AM PDT..11:30amMDT, 12:30am CDT, 1:30pm EDT, 5:30pm GMT For someone who is using military time, you have a lot
to learn about TIMEZONES. xDT and xST are interchangeable.

[smurfsniper]

The PR System should never have been implemented. It is flawed and because of that, there is no trading and it ripped the guts out of the game, robbing it of the joy and fun that it once was to play.

You did miss the whole point here Smurf. Regarding the Valore Store. I have spent enough money to buy every game pack over again and again, but had a gut full of trion and left the game on D13.

In regard to all customers, its the least they could do for those who kept them afloat this long. And as for the comment "I don't want much", this has all been said 100 times over by many others over the years. I simply put it all in one post and is also what I know and have experienced in the game.

By saying nothing at all, gets nothing done. I'm sharing what I believe would make this game fun and inspiring again, which would give people more reason to play again, regarding those who left.

I see some of you here in this thread comment to get a pat on the back from others. I say what I think and stand on it regardless, if I believe in the cause. This game has so much potential, but has been destroyed by trion.

Like I said above: This post is for the new owners to read and answer. I don't want to hear what the lickers have to say. I myself like many others, want change and promises kept and action.

Valor isn't a store, it was a good will offer to give those who spent money on D13 an incentive to play d50.
All of D13 content is free on d50. There is no need of d13 packs being offered on D50. You got all your inventory slots with valor as well.

Trading ruined d13 with all the scammers. Maybe they didn't want to have those griefers in d50, and maybe trading can be implemented when/if that exploit is fixed. Shouldn't be added before it is fixed.

We should be hopeful about trading synergies though, since they are not tied to the pr system.


You post your concerns on a public forum, and then demand no one to respond to it, except those you want? That's not how public discussions go.

[Antony Harrist]

Sounds like you want everything for free. All paid content in valor store? Valor store additions would make those who already spent their valor upset because we won't be able to buy any of the new stuff. Valor store isn't a. Place for you to grab all new content, without buying it. It was a good will gesture. In your same position you said d50 store is empty, just add those to the store. People will buy them. You get d50 store items and everyone can buy them.

Enemy Hangouts = sieges. So that's covered.

Trading would only allow everyone to hit 5k and then what. You already said it was an empty goal, somhy rush to get there faster, only to quit sooner? Especially with those with over 5k gear, "hey here are some blue items that are 5007 enjoy" no one s going to trade with anyone lwer then them, so you will struggle to find someone to trade with. A complete overhaul of the game will need to happen, and that's not what is going to happen any time soon. Lte just mve on from the trading thing please.

Stream is this Friday, and they always start at 10:30am PDT.

Looks like you spent a hell of a lot of time to read a really good and very well put post

I think goodscore is right. And I hope that gamigo sees that post and takes some of it onboard

It's not hard to use a little bit of imagination. And figure out that if trading was to be allowed. Anything that was traded to you would adjust to your your current PR. Just like they have had to do with items from claims. To circumvent any artificial boosting of a person's power rating

[smurfsniper]

Looks like you spent a hell of a lot of time to read a really good and very well put post

I think goodscore is right. And I hope that gamigo sees that post and takes some of it onboard

It's not hard to use a little bit of imagination. And figure out that if trading was to be allowed. Anything that was traded to you would adjust to your your current PR. Just like they have had to do with items from claims. To circumvent any artificial boosting of a person's power rating

But the thing is the pr system was not built around trading. I agree goodscore has a lot of great points. But its not as easy as saying add trading, and then expect it to happen in a snap. The team is aware that trading is wanted, but they also know the coding in the game, and it may require extensive work that may not be allowed within the resources available. Right now, we have to accept the answer we were given, and that they have no plans for trading at this time.

Also its not hard to use a little bit of imagination to see why they didn't add trading. To get people to buy keys. Also trading would just be a way to give your buddy your extra prototype, and then we have everyone using them.

They wanted the game to be a grind, and it seemed to have worked as people have spent hundreds on keys.