Any Pistol...why bother

[TheIgmo]

I might not be remembering correctly, since I'm not at my gaming computer, but don't most pistols have like a 2.5x to 4.5x critical multiplier? I've always looked at them as the weapon to use when you're going against stuff that has easy-to-hit critical spots.

[SweetMadness]

Why can't they be primary weapons?

They already are.

[BetaChapel]

They already are.

But thats the thing, they are not quite as good IMO. Not when you have all the other choices that you can double up with as primaries.
We are talking a small edge to make them something people may want to use more often. Like the quick fall back weapon you can quickly equip to finish someone with when your primary runs dry. As it stands now, you can just pull out another big hog weapon like an LMG or pump shotty.

[jnt]

I might not be remembering correctly, since I'm not at my gaming computer, but don't most pistols have like a 2.5x to 4.5x critical multiplier? I've always looked at them as the weapon to use when you're going against stuff that has easy-to-hit critical spots.

Yeah I have one I use to hit Hellion Glands. 800+ damage as fast as I can click.

[Darkeus]

Because my pistol can crit for 1500+ each hit and it fires 3 round burst when I pull the trigger.. I can do up to 4,500 damage on a good day, even more if I am cloaked and behind someone when aimed in. Heck, I use it as a sniping rifle when I am bored....

[Warkaiser]

But thats the thing, they are not quite as good IMO. Not when you have all the other choices that you can double up with as primaries.
We are talking a small edge to make them something people may want to use more often. Like the quick fall back weapon you can quickly equip to finish someone with when your primary runs dry. As it stands now, you can just pull out another big hog weapon like an LMG or pump shotty.

Thats the thing. Its in your opinion. Clearly by looking at the thread you can see others do not share that opinion. I prefer my pistol to either the LMG or pump shotty. Perhaps it is a matter of your build / perks. I play a sniper, so I run multiple crit perks, increased stealth damage, etc. If I dont finish something off with my sniper and it gets too close I just whip out my pistol and drop it nerly instantly with crits.

Its all about crits with the pistols. Especially particular ones like the Wolfhound. The Wolfhound comes with a base 4.1x Crit multiplier. Higher than anything else if I recall correctly. Get ahold of one with a crit bonus already on it, add a crit mod, and run some crit perks... it not only has the highest base crit but each of those additional crit bonuses adds more crit than to anything else also. There is also a bonus you can get, which I currently have on my main Wolfhound I always carry which adds another 15% crit when firing from the hip. Again, that 15% will do more with the Wolfhound than with any other type of gun. I dont currently have one on me that is fully critted out, but I believe you can get upwards of around 5.5-6x crit just from weapon bonuses and mods, not accounting for perks. Add the perks in and it becomes quite a bit more.

Just think of Pistols like Daggers used by rogue / assassing type classes in your typical RPG. Theyre not typically a massive damage dealer on their own, but if you gear & spec yourself for high crits they will destroy anything you go after as long as you can land those crits. Good thing with Defiance though is youre not relying on random procs of crits, you have complete control and can land 100% crts if youre good.

[SweetMadness]

But thats the thing, they are not quite as good IMO. Not when you have all the other choices that you can double up with as primaries.
We are talking a small edge to make them something people may want to use more often. Like the quick fall back weapon you can quickly equip to finish someone with when your primary runs dry. As it stands now, you can just pull out another big hog weapon like an LMG or pump shotty.

Were not the majority of the people in this post just going on about how good the pistols are? I think you've defeated your own argument.

[jnt]

Were not the majority of the people in this post just going on about how good the pistols are? I think you've defeated your own argument.

At the end of the day I'd just like to be able to hold more rounds. I can hold what? 160 pistol rounds or 500 ar rounds? really? seems a little off.

[Napalm Sunrise]

At the end of the day I'd just like to be able to hold more rounds. I can hold what? 160 pistol rounds or 500 ar rounds? really? seems a little off.

Think they look at the weapon as more of a controlled fire weapon or sidearm/last resort vs. an AR which at the minimum fires in burst as opposed to being primarily semi-auto orientation as most pistols are set up. Additionally could be a balance perspective? I mean you ever see an AR that can do base damage of 800-1000 plus or fire exploding bullets (e.g. Frontier Northstar)? Give your pistol a reserve ammo limit of 500 and you have a 500 round supplied mini sniper rifle if you add a scope and barrel attachment (e.g. Frontier Magnum or Bullrush).

[SweetMadness]

At the end of the day I'd just like to be able to hold more rounds. I can hold what? 160 pistol rounds or 500 ar rounds? really? seems a little off.

Magnums do almost as much as Bolt Action Snipers. Snipers only get 50 rounds in their reserve. And as I pointed out, the machine pistols can easily out do the SMGs and some ARs due to similar firing rates and superior damage of the pistols. The only seperation between them is the Falloff and ammo reserve. I understand how you feel, I agree, I'd love to carry 500 pistols rounds and go crazy with the Votan Blasters.