Cloak and shotguns

[Mechman]

Would be good if there was a paint grenade you can throw that exposes the cloakers and deals a little damage aswell :-P

I would be great if there were a perk you could use that would show anyone cloaked out to ...oh.... 30 meters....
Hmm... there already is.

I ended up 'joining' the cloak/shotgun users, but tonight I think I'll try a different setup with Decoy and Sensor Sweep to see how well it works.

[MosesOfWar]

I would be great if there were a perk you could use that would show anyone cloaked out to ...oh.... 30 meters....
Hmm... there already is.

I ended up 'joining' the cloak/shotgun users, but tonight I think I'll try a different setup with Decoy and Sensor Sweep to see how well it works.

Check your mini-map after use; most people that complain that "it doesn't reveal anyone" is because they aren't look at their mini-map for extra red dots. Decoy and Defensive perks negate the massive damage bonus of a Cloak/Shotgun.. And you can teleport.

In any case, I see more people using Overcharge + Pump shotgun than I see Cloak+Shotgun now-a-days (And these people have the audacity to complain about shotgun+Cloak.. Really? 30% constant boost to your damage and that doesn't require going invisible and your complaining about Cloak... Think about that for a second) due to the hard counters with Decoy becoming a little more prevelant. Cloak and Shotguns aren't OP'd, but they do present a challenge to Overcharge users (the game is designed this way...)

If you don't like Cloak+Shotgun, pick what counters it (Decoy+Defense+Infector/BMG). I have more trouble with Blur users but Glass Cannon cloak users eat a Grenade at my feet while I teleport, expose them, Cankor, then BMG myself while they run around DoT'd, trying to reload and I heal myself. I don't complain about Blur giving my setup trouble, because I understand that Blur users hold an advantage over me using Decoy (the game is designed this way.. once again). If you are stubborn and refuse to play the game with the rules presented to you and how the game is designed, don't complain about something being overpowered. My analogy is always, if you play a RPG and you want to cast spells, stop rolling a Warrior and Pick a Wizard; stop trying to change the rules so a Warrior can cast spells.

[Boss Waters]

Like I said, I know its all pipedreams, but a guy can dream, no?,

Would it be so terrible for everyone to have balanced weapons in pvp and not be able to bring in thier own op weapons? It would make sure everything was fair and up to skill alone. If not,then the matchmaking system needs an o9verhaul to include the weapons people are using into account along with player stats.

Coming from a (attempt at being) non-elitist/******* perspective.
Everyone has access to the same guns. No gun is OP. They all function as intended.
Also,
A) No.
B) No. Unless they implemented some kind of "core" game mode or something where it is literally all guns and no powers. But probably not.
C) I was under the impression aim assist is off for PvP?
For the record, I use an AR as my primary weapon and I die to shotguns all the time.

[mmproc4619]

there is bio grenades snare em drop their cloak and reduce their movement speed also nano efects cancel cloak.

[Cyripax NeoPrime]

lol u guys that complain about pvp are noobs first off it should never be balanced second pvp is hardcore it shouldnt be easy at all if it was it wouldnt be fun at all it would be more boring then pve is and rlly u have to complain about how some1 plays the game anyways if u have a hd tv with high resolution u can clearly see that the cloak users have hard to see out lines on the cloaks kinda giving them away the blur ego is my fav

As Ive already said I dont play much pvp, so its meh for me. Ive seen alot of ppl complaining on here about it though, and I popped in to try it out and to my suprise they were right, I got hit with swarms of ppl using that exact combo.

2nd I agree pvp should not be easy, it 100% should.not be easy and should be a show of player skill so we can see whos the best, which is why if your using cloak with shotgun, you should have an asterisk next to your name because your hardly the best. Your just houdini-ing everyone and shooting em right in their face b4 they see you. If these guys really had some skill, they wouldnt be afraid to man up and get a gun that doesnt one shot ppl if they decide to play invisible. And I wont JOIN them and use the same combo, because my pride is above getting the best at something by using the most slimey tactic available
... Id be embarrased to say im good at pvp because no one can see me at all. It totally blows my mind. Like really buddy, you proud of what your doing? You feel good about that? Want me to pat you on back and give you a medal and say job well done? Scared of losing your spot on the leaderboard?, then drop that combo and show some real skill cos all cloak combined with shotgun does is make it cakewalk easy for you.

[Dobranoc]

As Ive already said I dont play much pvp, so its meh for me. Ive seen alot of ppl complaining on here about it though, and I popped in to try it out and to my suprise they were right, I got hit with swarms of ppl using that exact combo.

2nd I agree pvp should not be easy, it 100% should.not be easy and should be a show of player skill so we can see whos the best, which is why if your using cloak with shotgun, you should have an asterisk next to your name because your hardly the best. Your just houdini-ing everyone and shooting em right in their face b4 they see you. If these guys really had some skill, they wouldnt be afraid to man up and get a gun that doesnt one shot ppl if they decide to play invisible. And I wont JOIN them and use the same combo, because my pride is above getting the best at something by using the most slimey tactic available
... Id be embarrased to say im good at pvp because no one can see me at all. It totally blows my mind. Like really buddy, you proud of what your doing? You feel good about that? Want me to pat you on back and give you a medal and say job well done? Scared of losing your spot on the leaderboard?, then drop that combo and show some real skill cos all cloak combined with shotgun does is make it cakewalk easy for you.

lol, like your response to Trip. I wouldn't say its the most slimey tactic, but i can understand where you are coming from. :-p

[Cyripax NeoPrime]

Its ok though everyone. I knew the minute I posted this I was going to get hell. the fact is you probly would never have caught me complaining about much in this game at all as its so insanely great(which means im not the one whos complaining about EVERY LITTLE THING as someone put it....just 1 thing) and I know as ive said in countless posts to the complainers here on the forums that not EVERYTHING in EVERYGAME can be for EVERYONE.and I also know that ill give pvp in this game more chances inn the future. this is probly my favorite game ever besides borderlands, which is why I just was a.little upset that that combo was ruining my fun with pvp in this game and making me rather play pvp in call of duty(which is frikkin ******ed because call of duty sucks) im even mad I actually own cod, but at some.point it had some allure to it I guess,lol. Battlefield was much better,

I dont care about the 1 guy in a match using this combo...its when you have a whole team of guys that jump into pvp and get in cahouts and ALL use it then you have a whole team of invisible shotguns all seeking you out making it near impossible to see anyone to shoot, and give you no chance at all of not getting 1shot,

but newayz...thanks for all the feedback whether nice or a**holish, I got yall. Everyone has thier own style. I know theres ways to counter it... And as for the ab and c.....if youd read my whole post youd know I said it was all just opinion and I knew it would never happen. Just contributing ideas to the ppl who actually got me writing this thread. I think this will be my last visit to this thread, and am going to go back and enjoy my game.

For tthe lov of god mods, close this thread before a votan war breaks out.

[Honved]

Blur is better or equal to cloak currently. These are the two egos that I use. Next I'm going overcharge because the damage increase will be insane with some of my modded bolt actions and lmgs. People need to stop hating on cloak, it has the most draw backs by far with a limited bonus.

[Naicone]

1.Movement speed decrease slightly when cloaked.
2.And increase everyone HP(x2 or more), so that you wont get oneshotted and might be able to get to cover or use your own Ego ability to kill them.

With increased HP it would depend more on skills and tactics.

[Honved]

1.Movement speed decrease slightly when cloaked.
2.And increase everyone HP(x2 or more), so that you wont get oneshotted and might be able to get to cover or use your own Ego ability to kill them.

With increased HP it would depend more on skills and tactics.

If movement speed is decreased duration of cloak will have to be increased.