Shotguns in PVP

[umKthcbye]

WTF??!??
I swear these things are OP to the max.
I get shot from the other end of the map once and I die, and I have the Ironclad Reloader III DX shield on.
Shotguns can be as Op as they want in PVE but in PVP they really need to be toned down.
It really take away from the fun when you get one shotted from these things.
Anyone else having this problem? I have Stealth on and they still somehow hit me although they have no idea were I am.

Shotgun should be nerfed in PVP it's just too damn strong, especially if you pair it up with Stealth, then it's just almost unstoppable.

[atlantix]

you might encountered a hacker
cause if you get shot from long distance with shotgun while you are cloaked
that means a hacker got you
next time report him maybe or try to video capture

[umKthcbye]

you might encountered a hacker
cause if you get shot from long distance with shotgun while you are cloaked
that means a hacker got you
next time report him maybe or try to video capture

yeah, I've been meaning to get fraps, but I keep forgetting.
But even on my good days of PVP there is always the OP shotgun scenario. I just think they should be toned down a bit. In Shadow Wars its not too bad because of the huge maps, but in Competitive, it's all CQB and the shotgun is just ridiculousness.

[atlantix]

yeah, I've been meaning to get fraps, but I keep forgetting.
But even on my good days of PVP there is always the OP shotgun scenario. I just think they should be toned down a bit. In Shadow Wars its not too bad because of the huge maps, but in Competitive, it's all CQB and the shotgun is just ridiculousness.

at the moment small maps in competitive pvp so its normal that shotguns own.. since more and faster damage in short range..
in cap & hold map its totally different scenario..
its not only about defiance, in any shooter game shotgun owns in small maps
for example

[Lambchops]

at the moment small maps in competitive pvp so its normal that shotguns own.. since more and faster damage in short range..
in cap & hold map its totally different scenario..
its not only about defiance, in any shooter game shotgun owns in small maps
for example

Unfortunately for people who don't like shotties, this is just the way that it is. Shotguns dominate at CQC, that's how it should be and that's how it will be. That is their only real niche, you take that away and they are essentially useless.

I'd much rather they balance the PvP around Shadow Wars then competitive personally, so Shotties being a little broken in small maps doesn't bother me that much. Maybe adding some bigger maps to competitive would be a better solution.

But yes as far as Shotties killing you from long-range while in Cloak or things like that, I would assume hacking is involved.

There's a reason most BF3 players hated the Close Quarters expansion. Shotties are fairly balanced in that game on normal maps. On small maps they are ridiculous. BF3 was not balanced around small maps.

[umKthcbye]

Unfortunately for people who don't like shotties, this is just the way that it is. Shotguns dominate at CQC, that's how it should be and that's how it will be. That is their only real niche, you take that away and they are essentially useless.

I'd much rather they balance the PvP around Shadow Wars then competitive personally, so Shotties being a little broken in small maps doesn't bother me that much. Maybe adding some bigger maps to competitive would be a better solution.

But yes as far as Shotties killing you from long-range while in Cloak or things like that, I would assume hacking is involved.

There's a reason most BF3 players hated the Close Quarters expansion. Shotties are fairly balanced in that game on normal maps. On small maps they are ridiculous. BF3 was not balanced around small maps.

As a BF3 player I completely understand. I've been gaming for well over 15 years, since Quake 1, and I understand that shotties are allabout CQC, but I had no issues with them in Counter-Strike(all versions) or any other game, hell, even in BF3 I had no issues in CQC, but in Defiance I find them slightly OP. I could handle the shotty that takes 2 shots simultaneously(sawed off shotgun) then needing a reload killing me in 1 hit, but all the others is just nuts. I've got a shield that can take 1600 dmg then my HP with the HP booster Perk and still get 1 hit killed. If they are going to make shotty this OP how about some more love for the infectors, give them some more dmg and allot more range, then Ill shut my mouth.

I'm hopping shotties get toned down a slight bit, not crazy down, but a bit, no weapon should deal 1 shot kill unless hit in the face.

[Lambchops]

As a BF3 player I completely understand. I've been gaming for well over 15 years, since Quake 1, and I understand that shotties are allabout CQC, but I had no issues with them in Counter-Strike(all versions) or any other game, hell, even in BF3 I had no issues in CQC, but in Defiance I find them slightly OP. I could handle the shotty that takes 2 shots simultaneously(sawed off shotgun) then needing a reload killing me in 1 hit, but all the others is just nuts. I've got a shield that can take 1600 dmg then my HP with the HP booster Perk and still get 1 hit killed. If they are going to make shotty this OP how about some more love for the infectors, give them some more dmg and allot more range, then Ill shut my mouth.

I'm hopping shotties get toned down a slight bit, not crazy down, but a bit, no weapon should deal 1 shot kill unless hit in the face.

What shotties are one-shotting you? The sawed-offs are the only ones that are actually capable of one shot kills to players. Granted, Pump Shotties still kill quickly (2 to 3 shots depending on distance and accuracy), but they don't 1-shot. I've used all of the shotties in PvP fairly extensively at this point, the only one that I managed to 1 hit KO with is the sawed off.

I also don't use cloak so I suppose that could be the difference. To be honest, the only thing that pushes Shotguns over the edge is Cloak imo. The extra damage you get from shooting from cloak (potentially) does earn you a 1 shot kill with certain Shotguns. So should cloak be looked at or should Shotguns be looked at?

[K3LB0T]

Idk guys maybe there was a hacker?? Still they just might have a high Power Rating 4 their shorty. In case you don't know this every weapon type has a proficiency level or "Power Rating" you can see yours by pressing start then LB a few till you see stats scroll the list and see what levels you're at. If you know this then my bad.

[umKthcbye]

Idk guys maybe there was a hacker?? Still they just might have a high Power Rating 4 their shorty. In case you don't know this every weapon type has a proficiency level or "Power Rating" you can see yours by pressing start then LB a few till you see stats scroll the list and see what levels you're at. If you know this then my bad.

What does LB equate to in PC =P I assume LB stands for Left Bumber on xbox?

[Lambchops]

What does LB equate to in PC =P I assume LB stands for Left Bumber on xbox?

I think he's just talking about weapon levels, which you can see on the Stats page on PC. Just press "L" to go to the character page and then scroll over a few pages.