Shotguns in PVP

[Xeex]

i pvp about 40% of the time (shadow war), and yes, while shotguns are annoying as all heck, not everyone uses em. my fav combo is a bonfire and pistol actually. light whole areas on fire and while theyre playin the rolly polly tryinna get the fire off, just tear em up with a pistol. their shotguns have zero effect this way. its hilarious to watch someone blindly shooting w their shotty's cuz i lit em on fire while cloaked, only to be right behind em w my pistol.

For other things, theres always a way around whatever someone else is using. and remember, most of those folks usin shotguns, arent very good at it. weapon takes no real skill to use, which is why so many people use it. that and they got tired of being instagibbed by one.

watch for falling rockets =)

[Nallic]

I think the problem is shotgun + stealth. People show up behind you and just unload 3-4 shots in your back. Before you realise what happened, you're dead.

I agree that on QC shotguns should be good, but at the moment it's pretty much the only weapon that's being used. That should be an indicator for something. If one weapon type is that good there's no reason to rock the others, perhaps it needs toning down.

[Lambchops]

I think the problem is shotgun + stealth. People show up behind you and just unload 3-4 shots in your back. Before you realise what happened, you're dead.

I agree that on QC shotguns should be good, but at the moment it's pretty much the only weapon that's being used. That should be an indicator for something. If one weapon type is that good there's no reason to rock the others, perhaps it needs toning down.

I've seen plenty others being used in Shadow Wars, that's why I keep saying that I only see it as a problem in competitive matches, which I barely touch anymore personally.

Cloak + shotty is still maybe a little silly even in Shadow Wars, but otherwise it seems fine to me. As somebody who uses Blur, I still do well with Shotties but I do get killed plenty by people with ARs, Snipers and Infectors. As well as other shotties of course.

Something else I've noticed people doing in SWs lately is using quick-fuse frag grenades to counter shottie rushes if they see them coming and have time to react -- theres enough time while the nade is still in the air for them to roll out of the way, but .3 seconds is much quicker then any human can possibly react. If it's a direct hit, that person is dead every single time, or close to death anyways. Pretty effective provided you don't blow yourself up in the process.

[Raehvyn]

I'm not usually one for competitive pvp but I tried several rounds. Honestly, it is absurd. No one is using anything other than stealth and shotgun combo. Despite having health buffs and several damage reduction perks I am still just getting 1 shot and I realize sawed offs do that but what threat is there if all you do is 1-shot everyone? It is absurd, really.

Maybe I'm not used to small map PvP but it has turned me off completely. Oh well.

[Sceles]

Shotguns are fine, stealth and infinite rolling/bunny hopping are not. If shotguns got nerfed no one would play PvP anymore because it would be so ridiculously hard to hit anything.

This is what I would do to fix this, I already posted something similar on the suggestion section yesterday.
- improve stealth so that it does not make players within 10-15 meters completely invisible, only very transparent(in-game format, equals to about 5-7m IRL).
- add stamina meter that depletes after 3-4 jumps or rolls but recharges fast after 2-3 seconds as long as the player does not jump, roll or run(running would only affect recharge, not consume it).

[FizzyMyNizzy]

WTF??!??
I swear these things are OP to the max.
I get shot from the other end of the map once and I die, and I have the Ironclad Reloader III DX shield on.
Shotguns can be as Op as they want in PVE but in PVP they really need to be toned down.
It really take away from the fun when you get one shotted from these things.
Anyone else having this problem? I have Stealth on and they still somehow hit me although they have no idea were I am.

Shotgun should be nerfed in PVP it's just too damn strong, especially if you pair it up with Stealth, then it's just almost unstoppable.

I don't see why shotgun needs to be tune down? It is a close range weapon. You don't see me saying all sniper rifle need to be nerf because of 1 shot to the head kill AND it has range. Shot are for people that isn't too good with sniper rifle and still have a chance to kill people close up. Tho, this game those has its bugs. Hopefully everything get fix.

And you said it you were kill from range and the person is cloak. No way a shotgun that spread out all the bullets could do that much dmg, maybe slug shotgun. But I haven't really play with those. Only if that person puts the gun on your body and pull the trigger, I find that reasonable. If some one shot you with a shotgun in RL. You will take serious damage to your body. Just saying.

[Katastrofi]

WTF??!??
I swear these things are OP to the max.
I get shot from the other end of the map once and I die, and I have the Ironclad Reloader III DX shield on.
Shotguns can be as Op as they want in PVE but in PVP they really need to be toned down.
It really take away from the fun when you get one shotted from these things.
Anyone else having this problem? I have Stealth on and they still somehow hit me although they have no idea were I am.

Shotgun should be nerfed in PVP it's just too damn strong, especially if you pair it up with Stealth, then it's just almost unstoppable.

Some shotguns are WAY too OP + 70% people use Cloak with it. It eats the feeling using any other weapons in PvP (6v6, 8v8). One reason for this is PvP "maps size" also.

Decoy-EGO might work against these cloaked killers since it can see invisible units but I still belive we need some changes...

[Dwane]

Yes, shotgun+cloak/blur is op. But post it in pvp section and not general.

[Wraethrax]

I'm not usually one for competitive pvp but I tried several rounds. Honestly, it is absurd. No one is using anything other than stealth and shotgun combo. Despite having health buffs and several damage reduction perks I am still just getting 1 shot and I realize sawed offs do that but what threat is there if all you do is 1-shot everyone? It is absurd, really.

Maybe I'm not used to small map PvP but it has turned me off completely. Oh well.

I'm with you on this. I was very turned off by PvP and not just because I suck. I felt like I had a really hard time telling friend from enemy and had no long range visibility. I got run over and blown up with shotguns for most of my Shadow War games. I know it's early, but PvP already seems to have a niche style. I'm going to keep at it, but my initial experience has been discouraging.

[Agonist]

i pvp about 40% of the time (shadow war), and yes, while shotguns are annoying as all heck, not everyone uses em. my fav combo is a bonfire and pistol actually. light whole areas on fire and while theyre playin the rolly polly tryinna get the fire off, just tear em up with a pistol. their shotguns have zero effect this way. its hilarious to watch someone blindly shooting w their shotty's cuz i lit em on fire while cloaked, only to be right behind em w my pistol.

For other things, theres always a way around whatever someone else is using. and remember, most of those folks usin shotguns, arent very good at it. weapon takes no real skill to use, which is why so many people use it. that and they got tired of being instagibbed by one.

watch for falling rockets =)

I think I may already hate you for this. I had only seen this strategy a few times so far but I think it will catch on once people realize you cannot see shtako while on fire.