Lack of progression will push people away.

[Major Nelson]

Its a really simplistic look at the game. Look at weapons having the same base stats, and not feeling stronger because theres no level 1 noob mobs for you to stomp.

Theres a lot of progression in weapon skills. The weapons do get better.

Your EGO 300 character is a level 3 character in a game with 60 levels. Think about that when you complain how your level 300 doesn't feel much stronger than a level 10 in this game. 5000 ego levels in total, so don't expect night and day differences between 300 levels...and I wouldn't expect a ton of difference between a level 900 and 5000, granted the 5k will have more perk options to choose from and probably more weapons maxed.

If you want a game like that feel free to play any of the countless mmorpgs out there that have you grind for gear and levels to compete.

yeah weapons with 30 plus clips get a 1.10 boost to mag that adds a whole extra bullet to shoot lol

[Frost033]

Its not that I want to see 9999 damage when I shoot, but other than some very minor passives gained by using your EGO points, there is really no difference between someone with EGO 1000 and EGO 10. I've read people say "Its how you use the gun that matters, not level" but then whats the point of having different guns then?

[Atticus Finch]

When you posted this thread, you should have automatically assumed someone is going to tell you to go play WOW! Your not allowed to have an opinion unless its either saying how much you can stop playing, or how much you love the game.

Wrong.

Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. But when you say something really smart like "this game has no progression," when there is obviously progression, then you're going to get addressed like you're a person who doesn't understand much.

Next time the OP should write "I don't like the way progression is structured in this game." That makes more sense.

But if you say this game has NO progression, then expect your statement to be treated stupidly.

[Zeroexit]

Get back to me when you see a pvp game full of 10 EGO people with purple and orange gear.

Get real.

Dude you don't need Purples and Ojs to dominate the broken PVP circuit. IDGAF what your wearing/using you can get owned all the same by some green packing fool with cloak, an infector and shotty. The only advantages I will say are perks, but as far as OP says, theres not enough things to do keep you lvling. People can throw out EGO rank 5000 all they want, the FACT is there isn't enough content to get you there without mindlessly grinding.

[Atticus Finch]

yeah weapons with 30 plus clips get a 1.10 boost to mag that adds a whole extra bullet to shoot lol

you're in MLG and you still haven't found the +99 clip boost?

[Elric1]

Well considering that this is all done on 500 or less megs of ram and I understand this is a shooter supped up version of Phantasy Star Online. Considering all they have done it was considerable and they made a good point. 500 ego out of 5K isn't gonna show a huge improvement. Oh and how is balanced PvP a BAD thing? Leave god mode for pve mobs and let's have a fight based on skills instead of gear for once. I like to die because someone is better not better geared. I can't take anyone serious who thinks gear is more important than skill in pvp.

[Bluegobln]

You do not know. You ASSUME THIS IS HOW IT WORKS, but you DO NOT KNOW what it is like.

You cannot imagine that they've done it EXACTLY right, that it works perfectly and your crap ideas about what it are, and your fears, are completely unwarranted. So you attack them, even though it is your blindness that is the problem.

How about you GET to a higher level before you knock the leveling progression. Eh?

In WoW, if you complained, they would say "get to level cap then complain newb". You aren't even CLOSE to level cap here, and you're complaining. *salute* have fun with that.

[Greywolf]

Please don't get me wrong, this isn't a "I'm leaving" post, but I am looking for a bit of a pep talk. The face is, there is little to no difference between an ego 300 and ego 10. While this is nice for being able to play with other people lower and higher levels, its frustrating because I feel like I'm just spinning my tires. I'm only at EGO 420 or so but the guns I'm finding are EXACTLY the same as the ones I found at 10, 20, 80, 100, etc. Other than story, I'm having a hard time getting motivated to play.

And IF by some chance you do find a gun you enjoy, you only get it for a limited time because the game forces you to use different guns once they're maxed out in XP if you want to gain anymore weapon XP. How does that make ANY sense??

Without any sense of progression people aren't going to be playing this game long. Look at other games, especially MMO's, you have to have SOMETHING that makes people come back for more. Unless I'm missing something, Defiance is missing that hook that makes people stay with a game for an extended period of time.

I respect your opinion and at almost 1400 ego and pretty much as many of the pursuits done which don't require rampages that don't exist, pvp games that don't exist or stealing 5000 kills from people in co-op's (living to kill v)...

Yes, sometimes it can be boring just driving around in circles doing hellbug roadside events to buy lockboxes.. I think when the game has a chat box it will feel more "mmoish". Progression at the moment is based around you pushing yourself as far as you can I guess, in the search for that perfect synergy or whatever, orange gun with synergy mod, and 4 mods on it, all working with ego, that will take some time..

[Atticus Finch]

Dude you don't need Purples and Ojs to dominate the broken PVP circuit. IDGAF what your wearing/using you can get owned all the same by some green packing fool with cloak, an infector and shotty. The only advantages I will say are perks, but as far as OP says, theres not enough things to do keep you lvling. People can throw out EGO rank 5000 all they want, the FACT is there isn't enough content to get you there without mindlessly grinding.

Let them release some new content first with the new episodes and the first patch AT LEAST, before you guys start whining.

Trion didn't have the luxury of postponing the launch of their game for a couple years like Blizzard. Trion had a hard date set for launch (I'm guessing so they could coincide with the launch of the show) that couldn't be pushed back.

[Crunchyblack]

Well considering that this is all done on 500 or less megs of ram and I understand this is a shooter supped up version of Phantasy Star Online. Considering all they have done it was considerable and they made a good point. 500 ego out of 5K isn't gonna show a huge improvement. Oh and how is balanced PvP a BAD thing? Leave god mode for pve mobs and let's have a fight based on skills instead of gear for once. I like to die because someone is better not better geared. I can't take anyone serious who thinks gear is more important than skill in pvp.

shhh

if they weren't complaining about this they would be complaining about pvp is imbalance and how they have to grind to be good.